BBCS and Whitacre. In Concert 13/07/17

[ardcarp]

I only heard a snatch of this concert (the Arvo Part...just part!) and I wonder if anyone heard/enjoyed it?

[DracoM]

Is it 'Part' or is it 'Pert'?
Because we had both from the presenter.

BBCS oddly seemed not to have enough heavy 'bottom' at times, but mercifully little or less top line wobble.
Thought the Whitacre had a better outing than the Part / Pert.

[antongould]

I only heard a snatch of this concert (the Arvo Part...just part!) and I wonder if anyone heard/enjoyed it?

Heard it and enjoyed it .... willing to take my punishment like a wimp .....

[BBMmk2]

I do t usually like BBCS concerts but I really enjoyed this one. I'm not to sure about Whitacre's music but I always enjoy Pårt's. And on this occasion Passio, which I never heard before, didn't disappoint.

[Nevilevelis]

Is it 'Part' or is it 'Pert'?
Because we had both from the presenter.

Closer to Pert, but not like the Germanic ä. According to an Estonian, it's like the 'a' in cat; an open 'e'... confused? I am, a little, but it's also the way we hear it. We can hardly tell the difference; to Estonians, it's clear.

BBCS oddly seemed not to have enough heavy 'bottom' at times, but mercifully little or less top line wobble.
Thought the Whitaker had a better outing than the Part / Pert.

Careful, you'll be complimenting them soon! I'm told there is a drive under the present management to change the sound a little...

NVV

[DracoM]

Yes, but I was just not sure if the BBC presenter knew how to say it - which I suppose is a nicely refreshing way with how to do live R3.

[LeMartinPecheur]

Is it 'Part' or is it 'Pert'?

I saw one record shop where the plastic divider in the classical CDs section had him as Avro Part.

I asked if they had a Lancaster rear 4-gun turret but they didn't

[jean]

I'm not to sure about Whitacre's music but I always enjoy Pårt's.

Never mind the pronunciation, what about the spelling?

That recorded above is not one of BBM's famous typos, but a recognised variant. I don't know what the status of that diacritic is. Certainly the two dots we more usually see aren't the same as a German umlaut marking, because Estonian os one of the Finno-Ugric group of languages and not related to German at all.

The man himself was in London a couple of weeks ago, when the LIACCC featured his music. But the opportunity to ask him was missed.

[CallMePaul]

Is it 'Part' or is it 'Pert'?

My Lonely Planet Baltic States Phrasebook tells me to pronounce it as in "cat" and this was understood when I was in Estonia 2 years ago. I do not hear any similarity between "cat" and "ket", but it seems that several nastionalities confuse the sounds when learning English.

[jean]

I do not hear any similarity between "cat" and "ket", but it seems that several nastionalities confuse the sounds when learning English.

The way we pronounce the a in words like cat has changed over the years. It used to be much closer to how we would now pronounce ket, and in some countries, students are taught a very old-fashioned version of RP.

I'm sure I've told the story of how when teaching a class in Poland I was talking about a hen, but the students were convinced I meant hand.

So I don't know what sound the Estonians have in mind when they issue this advice. The way I pronounce the a in cat is pretty well impossible with a following r.

[Old Grumpy]

I'm told there is a drive under the present management to change the sound a little...

Very interesting!

I must admit I enjoyed the Part too (but have not listened to the rest yet). I did think there was less "top wobble" than usual. There is a further outing for the BBCS, BBC SO and Whitacre here.

OG

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I'm finding these discussions on "pert" "bottoms" much more congenial than the Music involved.


CallMePaul - do you mean that "Part" is pronounced "Pat" (as in "Postman")?

[Nevilevelis]

Never mind the pronunciation, what about the spelling?

That recorded above is not one of BBM's famous typos, but a recognised variant. I don't know what the status of that diacritic is. Certainly the two dots we more usually see aren't the same as a German umlaut marking, because Estonian os one of the Finno-Ugric group of languages and not related to German at all.

The man himself was in London a couple of weeks ago, when the LIACCC featured his music. But the opportunity to ask him was missed.

You can look it up quite easily and you'll discover that it has a similar effect to its application in German; as I described it above.

[jean]

Well since you originally wrote that the ä in Pärt was

...not like the Germanic ä...

I'm not sure what you're getting so steamed up about.