Tippett Piano Concerto; R3 in Concert, Weds 14/6/17

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

or does he?

Yes, he does.

[Boilk]

...my feelings about the Third Symphony are, I fear, unprintable - so a far more inconsistent period, for me.

I'm always puzzled that not a few Tippett fans are uncomfortable with the Third Symphony - the revelation of its inventiveness and emotional punch was what turned me onto him in the first place. I wonder whether if the final movement had been voiceless, people would have rather different things to say about the previous three? The finale's choice quotations of earlier movements in the textual discourse seem rather inspired to me and help unify what is admittedly a roller-coaster of a ride, more so than the Fourth.

Also somewhat unllikely but true, my introduction to Beeethoven's 9th was through this symphony ... just as my introduction to Brahms's 1st was through Henze's Tristan!

[teamsaint]

But, yes - Tippett as CotW would be wonderful. (Something else those Forumistas who bemoan the lack of broadcasts of his Music can not listen to.)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p020dp88

and some other interesting ( and possibly not so interesting ) bits and bobs to not listen to.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01t9t9c

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p020dp88

Oh - I missed that.

and some other interesting ( and possibly not so interesting ) bits and bobs to not listen to.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01t9t9c

[Pulcinella]

Could some of these posts (especially ts's with the links) be copied to the Composer thread on Tippett? Perhaps wider discussion might then ensue!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Could some of these posts (especially ts's with the links) be copied to the Composer thread on Tippett? Perhaps wider discussion might then ensue!

I shall use some of my spare time to do just that, Pulcie.


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[teamsaint]

I shall use some of my spare time to do just that, Pulcie.


(By the way - Hosts can read deleted Posts! )

The trick is to edit down to one character, ( or something )and then delete...apparently....

Isn't it ?

( often the best way of getting a host to pay attention to a post is to delete it, I find...)

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

We can also delete posts that give the game away!

(Send Pulcie a PM, ts!)

Meanwhile, general posts about Tippett have been copied to the Tippett Thread in the Composers Forum - I'll move this whole Thread there in a couple of months or so once the topic has burnt out.

[teamsaint]

Sorry, I thought what I posted was common( ish) knowledge.

[Pulcinella]

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Eek!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Sorry, I thought what I posted was common( ish) knowledge.

What Hosts take away, Hosts can return (although my local chippy seems to have different ideas)!

You are quite right - and if it isn't widely-known, it should be: if Forumistas wish to delete one of their own Posts completely, they should first edit out the text of the Post up to the first letter, then Delete as usual - otherwise it can be seen by the more nosey of the Hosts (read "me" ).

An extraordinary attack of hubris on my part last night - the power! the power!! - which although done in jest was unwarranted, and for which I apologise.

[Richard Barrett]

Yes, he does.

Often he does, but not always (not often enough in fact, I would say), and, returning to Tippett, the actual content of this "accompaniment" seems to me somewhat arbitrary. But again that may be because when I last heard the piece is was too much in the foreground.

[rauschwerk]

Often he does, but not always (not often enough in fact, I would say), and, returning to Tippett, the actual content of this "accompaniment" seems to me somewhat arbitrary.

Yes, and that's my impression from the score, too. This canonic section goes on for quite a while with maily two part canons on rather similar melodies, always on woodwind and horns. The piano texture does not really seem to develop, and there's not much sense (to my ears) of the music growing and developing. But maybe that's intentional? At any rate (with or without the score) this section doesn't really get me emotionally, though the rest of the concerto does.

[Pulcinella]

Yes, and that's my impression from the score, too. This canonic section goes on for quite a while with maily two part canons on rather similar melodies, always on woodwind and horns. The piano texture does not really seem to develop, and there's not much sense (to my ears) of the music growing and developing. But maybe that's intentional? At any rate (with or without the score) this section doesn't really get me emotionally, though the rest of the concerto does.

It's certainly where I got lost while I was trying to follow the score; attention slipped for an instant and then.....

[Maclintick]

But your lack of any post on this actual broadcast performance (available to hear for thirty days after the broadcast) suggests that you didn't "jump", ts - of all the comments on this Thread, only Pulcie, Edgey, bsp and myself actually gave any indication that we actually listened to this broadcast.

I'm as guilty as Teamsaint here in that I don't invariably post on what I've heard (a) because others with superior insight have already done so & possibly made similar points to my own with greater clarity & (b) because I often don't have the time to post more frequently. Life gets in the way. Consequently I'm behind the discursive loop & opt out rather than be viewed as a Johnny-Come-Lately. FWIW, I heard & enjoyed this performance of one of my favourite piano concertos from Steven Osborne & the CBSO under Mirga G-T, with the caveat that dynamics could have been wider & that the 1st movt a tad freer & more responsive to MT's lyrical vein in his mid-1950s high-noon of supernatural & ecstatic polyphony. Steven Osborne is an extremely persuasive modern advocate of Tippett's piano oeuvre, & here the first movt only lacked an extra dimension of floating, trance-like ease present in his Hyperion recording, aided by the excellent BBCSSO & Martyn Brabbins, good though the CBSO under Mirga G-T were in this broadcast. No reservations with the knotty, insistent & slightly impenetrable slow movt. or in the extrovert finale with its dancing dialogue between celesta & trumpet, conjuring shades of Ariel & Puck...

Like others, I first encountered Tippett PC via the Oggie/Philharmonia/Colin Davis recording - live performances being a bit thin on the ground, although I did manage to get to a memorable BBCPO/Ted Downes Prom with David Wilde as soloist in the 80s. In 2017 the Oggie version, though indispensible, now seems stifled by an accurate but dry contribution from the '67 Philharmonia, a starry ensemble but one for whom this 12-year-old score must have come into the category of "difficult modern stuff" -- they were very much a "core-classical" orchestra under Klemperer, of course. Thanks for the heads up on Tirimo etc. Will investigate as time permits, but until then I'm more than happy with the Hyperion set.