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  • barber olly

    #46
    A few which have missed the Radar so far whose absence would leave voids in my collection where stunning recordings adorn my shelves:
    Fritz Reiner
    Eugen Jochum
    Lorin Maazel
    Zubin Mehta
    Charles Munch
    Antal Dorati
    Jean Martinon
    Igor Markevitch
    Paul Paray
    Karel Ancerl
    Charles Dutoit
    Bryden Thomson
    Alexander Gibson
    Rudolf Kempe
    Paul Kletzki
    Anthony Collins
    Ernest Ansermet
    and on the basis of his Naxos Debussy Orchestral Works 1 to 6 Jun Markl

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    • gurnemanz
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7429

      #47
      When I was quite young and just getting into classical music I remember being utterly bowled over and riveted by the 85-year-old, unable to stand Otto Klemperer on television in the Beethoven symphonies from the Festival Hall.

      Here's a really slow Seventh

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      It wasn't in colour on our telly, as far as I can remember.

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      • barber olly

        #48
        Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
        When I was quite young and just getting into classical music I remember being utterly bowled over and riveted by the 85-year-old, unable to stand Otto Klemperer on television in the Beethoven symphonies from the Festival Hall.

        Here's a really slow Seventh

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        It wasn't in colour on our telly, as far as I can remember.
        I remember it well, and thinking at the time a) Would he make it to the end of the Symphony. b) Did the Orchestra know the work and his interpretations so well that his presence made little difference. But I was so much younger then I'm kinder than that now!

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        • Dave2002
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 18056

          #49
          Originally posted by barber olly View Post
          I remember it well, and thinking at the time a) Would he make it to the end of the Symphony. b) Did the Orchestra know the work and his interpretations so well that his presence made little difference. But I was so much younger then I'm kinder than that now!
          This might be an antidote to K's version -
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          It is good, and this K is much more flamboyant than I'd expected. While on Ks I always liked Konwitschny in this piece, and another conductor not mentioned so far is Kondrashin.

          I never noticed before that Klemperer had the basses at the back left. I assume the cellos are somewhere around there too. The video is a bit muddy, and hard to see. Kleiber has the basses on the right.

          Klemperer's very slow tempo always struck me as plodding, though there are aspects of that performance which are fine. I rather resented it when the flute player seemed to want to push the tempo up a bit. Klemperer wasn't always slow, and some of his earlier recorded performances were much faster.

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          • Ferretfancy
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 3487

            #50
            salymap,

            Our housemaster at school had a rather grand radio, and invited some of us to hear those Toscanini Brahms concerts, and sit up late with mugs of tea. I remember them very well. You probably know that Toscanini decided to retire soon afterwards, he had started to conduct the Tragic Overture instead of the Academic Festival ( or it may have been the other way round ) in any event the Philharmonia saved the day and few noticed.
            The concerts were issued on Testament few years ago, and I'm sorry to say that I found them a little disappointing, but the memory is still fresh.

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            • Chris Newman
              Late Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 2100

              #51
              Originally posted by barber olly View Post
              A few which have missed the Radar so far whose absence would leave voids in my collection where stunning recordings adorn my shelves:
              Fritz Reiner
              Eugen Jochum
              Lorin Maazel
              Zubin Mehta
              Charles Munch
              Antal Dorati
              Jean Martinon
              Igor Markevitch
              Paul Paray
              Karel Ancerl
              Charles Dutoit
              Bryden Thomson
              Alexander Gibson
              Rudolf Kempe
              Paul Kletzki
              Anthony Collins
              Ernest Ansermet
              and on the basis of his Naxos Debussy Orchestral Works 1 to 6 Jun Markl
              And I would add all of those conducors to my list of greats which goes to prove that a list is a list is a list.

              Low fat spread
              Broccoli
              Carrots
              Tea bags


              In fact I heard them all live except

              Reiner
              Munch
              Markevitch
              Paray
              Kletzki
              Collins and Ansermet
              Last edited by Chris Newman; 06-06-11, 11:35.

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              • amateur51

                #52
                A great list #51 Chris

                In addition, I've greatly enjoyed live and recorded performances by Rafael Fruhbeck de Burgos in the past, and by Gustavo Dudamel, Vladimir Jurowski and Esa Pekka-Salonen more recently too.

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                • aeolium
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3992

                  #53
                  Here's a really slow Seventh
                  Here's another one:



                  Not what LvB wanted, perhaps, but I loved it.

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                  • ostuni
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 551

                    #54
                    The American (but resident in the UK) conductor Kenneth Woods writes a thoughtful blog which is always worth reading. The BBC mag article inspired him to produce his own top 20: he admits that he's 'intentionally been a little bit arbitrary and perverse with the numerical ranking' - and he's excluded all living conductors from the list, for reasons which he explains. Here's the first five; the post links to subsequent instalments, all nicely illustrated by Youtube clips. (If you can't be bothered to click the link, his first 5 in order are Furtwängler, C Kleiber, Jochum, Fricsay, Mitropoulos. ) One interesting snippet from the post: it's unlikely that E Kleiber was Carlos's biological father (and probable that Alban Berg was).

                    And in a post last month, he breaks his 'no living conductors' rule, and writes about the undervalued Walter Weller - a commenter on the post goes farther than Ken in suggesting that Weller is ' the greatest living conductor, and I understand that Haitink, Boulez, and Abbado are still alive'.

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                    • vinteuil
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 13012

                      #55
                      horses for courses...

                      Of course I have a lot of respect for Furtwangler, Toscanini, Klemperer, Mengelberg, Knappertsbusch, Krips, Walter, Bohm, Jochum, Wand, ...

                      but for the repertoire that is most important for me, those who have 'made the most impact' would include -

                      Gustav Leonhardt
                      Nikolaus Harnoncourt
                      Masaaki Suzuki
                      William Christie
                      Christophe Rousset
                      Philippe Herreweghe
                      Jos van Immerseel
                      Roger Norrington
                      John-Eliot Gardiner
                      Marc Minkowski
                      Christopher Hogwood
                      Trevor Pinnock

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                      • aeolium
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3992

                        #56
                        the undervalued Walter Weller
                        I saw him conduct the CBSO in Birmingham last month in a very impressive performance of Brahms PC 1 and Schubert 9. The orchestra obviously had enormous respect and affection for him. I very much like his set of Prokofiev symphonies.

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                        • silvestrione
                          Full Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 1734

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                          Taking my cue from this, the conductors who have had, and still have, a major impact on my life either through concerts or recordings (or both) are:

                          Bernard Haitink
                          Klaus Tennstedt
                          Claudio Abbado
                          Sir Georg Solti
                          Herbert von Karajan
                          Leonard Bernstein
                          Sir Simon Rattle
                          Gunter Wand
                          Rudolf Kempe
                          Karl Bohm

                          .
                          A great list, Petrushka. I find almost the same top ten occurring to me for much the same reason.

                          By the way, your fingers slipped at the end and you added an eleventh name by mistake, Willi Boskovsky

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                          • BBMmk2
                            Late Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 20908

                            #58
                            Live?

                            Ole Schmidt
                            Sir Andrew Davis
                            Erich Leinsdorf
                            Gennady Rozhdestvensky
                            Andre Previn
                            Rudolf Kempe
                            Vladimir Ashkenazy
                            Daniel Barenboim
                            Leopold Stowkowski
                            Bernard Haiitink

                            (the list goes on!)

                            As with Petrushka, conductors who have made an impact on my life are:-

                            Karajan
                            Kempe
                            Sir Andrew Davis
                            Sir Colin Davis
                            Andre Previn
                            Bermnard Haitink
                            Georg Szerll
                            Otto Klemeperer
                            NikolaUs Harnoncourt
                            Wilehlm Furtwangler
                            Eugen Jochum
                            Claudio Abbado
                            Carlos Kleiber
                            Reiner
                            Don’t cry for me
                            I go where music was born

                            J S Bach 1685-1750

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                            • Petrushka
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12367

                              #59
                              Originally posted by silvestrione View Post
                              By the way, your fingers slipped at the end and you added an eleventh name by mistake, Willi Boskovsky
                              Slip of the finger? Not at all! i would certainly not grant him status as a 'great' but measured as 'impact on my life' absolutely no question about it. I adored his New Year Concerts in Vienna and collected all his records. I owe my great love of the Strauss family to him (especially Josef) and will always be grateful for those New Years which started off in such brilliant style with the VPO under his direction.
                              "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                              • Eine Alpensinfonie
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 20576

                                #60
                                Great conductors I have seen in concert:

                                Barbirolli (many times)
                                Boult
                                Ashkenazy
                                Bernstein
                                Maazel
                                Bohm
                                Abbado
                                Rattle
                                Marriner
                                Davis (Andrew)
                                Masur

                                That's about it. Living away from the great concert venues has its disadvantages, but is outweighed by a better quality of life in other respects.

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