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  • Petrushka
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    • Nov 2010
    • 12307

    OAE/Rattle Oct 7 2016

    Did anyone else listen to this concert from last April broadcast last night? Expected to see some comment to be honest.

    My principal reason for listening was to hear Rattle and the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment in Bruckner's 6th Symphony. Before that, however, we had the Brahms Tragic Overture and the Scherzo from Hans Rott's Symphony,

    I'm aware of the story of Hans Rott but not heard any of his music so I was prepared for 'spot the bits that Mahler pinched'. Rattle's interview comment that this scherzo was like every one that Mahler and Bruckner had ever written and it was indeed astonishing to hear the strong influence of Rott in the scherzo movements of, especially, Mahler 1, 2 and even the Cooke completed 10th. I'm now eager to hear the full symphony.

    Bruckner 6 proved to be pretty difficult for me to 'tune in' to. For one thing the OAE period instruments are not the Vienna Philharmonic or the full tone and burnished brass of the Concertgebouw. Moreover, I could still hear Barenboim's Staatskapelle Berlin Prom performance in my head so it wasn't until the slow movement that I started to feel more attuned to the sound of the OAE in this performance and things settled down somewhat. Others may have had the same difficulty or none at all.

    Good playing throughout and wonderful rustic horns in the trio of Bruckner's scherzo. The finale was fully convincing, not always the case as it's not easy to bring off but Rattle brought it to a satisfying conclusion.

    Any more thoughts from our resident Bruckner fans?
    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink
  • jayne lee wilson
    Banned
    • Jul 2011
    • 10711

    #2
    Yes, sorry to miss this, too unwell to listen much at all.... I'll try to catch the Bruckner up when the owls come out. Would help if I can finally eat something...

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    • pastoralguy
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      • Nov 2010
      • 7799

      #3
      Sorry to hear your poorly, Jayne.

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      • Petrushka
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        • Nov 2010
        • 12307

        #4
        Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
        Sorry to hear your poorly, Jayne.
        Me too. Do get well soon!
        "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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        • Gordon
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          • Nov 2010
          • 1425

          #5
          This must be the London performance. They also did this programme at the Anvil in Basingstoke which we attended but there were no microphones. Splendid evening and the unfamiliar Rott went down very well!! As for the Bruckner it's relatively unfamiliar in concert programmes but the performance was very persuasive - some ripe brass sound - and not much like the much favoured Klemperer!! I suspect there were quite a few sales of Rott's complete work around Basingstoke after that evening.

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          • P. G. Tipps
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            • Jun 2014
            • 2978

            #6
            Originally posted by Gordon View Post
            This must be the London performance. They also did this programme at the Anvil in Basingstoke which we attended but there were no microphones. Splendid evening and the unfamiliar Rott went down very well!! As for the Bruckner it's relatively unfamiliar in concert programmes but the performance was very persuasive - some ripe brass sound - and not much like the much favoured Klemperer!! I suspect there were quite a few sales of Rott's complete work around Basingstoke after that evening.
            The Rott symphony is well worth hearing and it's easy to see from where the adored Gustav got a few ideas for one or two of his own works.

            Sorry I missed it last night. This sort of relatively-unusual programming appeals to me just as the pairing of Messiaen and Bruckner did with Rattle and the LSO earlier this year.

            Frankly, I'm sick to death of constantly hearing a Mozart piano concerto preceding a Bruckner symphony at so many concerts.

            I have very high hopes for the forthcoming Rattle/LSO partnership ... the omens already look very good indeed?

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            • Zucchini
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              • Nov 2010
              • 917

              #7
              Originally posted by P. G. Tipps View Post
              Frankly, I'm sick to death of constantly hearing a Mozart piano concerto preceding a Bruckner symphony at so many concerts.
              Frankly, I'm sick to death of constantly hearing a Bruckner symphony after a wonderful Mozart piano concerto at so many concerts

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              • P. G. Tipps
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                • Jun 2014
                • 2978

                #8
                Originally posted by Zucchini View Post
                Frankly, I'm sick to death of constantly hearing a Bruckner symphony after a wonderful Mozart piano concerto at so many concerts
                I've absolutely nothing against a wonderful Mozart piano concerto.

                It's often the complete lack of more adventurous programme planning which tends to put off those who simply yearn for something a bit different now and again.

                What one's personal views of any composer happen to be are quite irrelevant in the cause of bold and imaginative diversity!

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                • richardfinegold
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                  • Sep 2012
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                  #9
                  Just streamed the Rott in a performance led BT Segerstram. I don't see a Mahler or Bruckner connection.

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                  • Sir Velo
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                    • Oct 2012
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by richardfinegold View Post
                    Just streamed the Rott in a performance led BT Segerstram. I don't see a Mahler or Bruckner connection.
                    Ah but do you hear one?

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                    • verismissimo
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                      • Nov 2010
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
                      Bruckner 6 proved to be pretty difficult for me to 'tune in' to. For one thing the OAE period instruments are not the Vienna Philharmonic or the full tone and burnished brass of the Concertgebouw.
                      Really?

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                      • gurnemanz
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7405

                        #12
                        We also heard the concert at Basingstoke. I contributed this thumbnail review at the time.

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                        • Sir Velo
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                          • Oct 2012
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                          We also heard the concert at Basingstoke. I contributed this thumbnail review at the time.
                          Likewise The resemblance to the scherzo from Mahler's first was quite remarkable, and was to anyone with ears to hear it. A fascinating piece which offered at the same time a tantalising glimpse at a lost talent, and also a clear indication of why Brahms should have been so dismissive.

                          Sadly, the Rott most decidedly did stop there.

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                          • Richard Barrett
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                            • Jan 2016
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post
                            Sadly, the Rott most decidedly did stop there.
                            The whole symphony does contain many very interesting ideas, especially in view of what Mahler later did with them, but the piece as a whole seems to me turgid and undisciplined. But then so is Rachmaninov's first symphony, to name but one. I have the feeling Rott could have turned into a composer of astonishing things; but luckily Mahler was able to see that glimmer of genius and draw it into his own already much more fluent compositional abilities.

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                            • Sir Velo
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                              • Oct 2012
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Richard Barrett View Post
                              The whole symphony does contain many very interesting ideas, especially in view of what Mahler later did with them, but the piece as a whole seems to me turgid and undisciplined. But then so is Rachmaninov's first symphony, to name but one. I have the feeling Rott could have turned into a composer of astonishing things; but luckily Mahler was able to see that glimmer of genius and draw it into his own already much more fluent compositional abilities.
                              I think you're right. I acquired the Jarvi CD immediately after this concert and realised fairly quickly why Rattle gave us the Scherzo only. Some extraordinary sounds which must have seemed to a conservative like JB as an undisciplined shambles.

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