The Other Petrenko

[slarty]

coming up on Tuesday evening, a live broadcast and podcast from BR Klassik at 7 PM (British time)
with the Bavarian State Orchestra and Kyrill Petrenko (Rattle's successor at the BPO)

Elgar Violin Concerto with Julia Fischer
Sibelius Symphony 5

The Bavarian State Orchestra is the opera orchestra of the State Opera in Munich of which Petrenko is GMD.

[pastoralguy]

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coming up on Tuesday evening, a live broadcast and podcast from BR Klassik at 7 PM (British time)
with the Bavarian State Orchestra and Kyrill Petrenko (Rattle's successor at the BPO)

Elgar Violin Concerto with Julia Fischer
Sibelius Symphony 5

The Bavarian State Orchestra is the opera orchestra of the State Opera in Munich of which Petrenko is GMD.

This looks like a really interesting concert. Many thanks for the heads up!

[bluestateprommer]

Somewhat yanking the thread from its original purpose: KP and the Berlin Phil have set the starting year, namely the 2019-2020 season.

Berlin Phil page: http://www.berliner-philharmoniker.d...rill-petrenko/

Article from the Berliner Morgenpost, where the writer, Matthias Wulff, is none too thrilled at the arrangement (if Google Translator makes sense): http://www.morgenpost.de/kultur/berl...ch-Berlin.html

[slarty]

I imagine, away from the press release from the BPO, they are quite shocked to hear that Petrenko is extending his contract at the Bavarian State Opera to 2021 and will begin his tenure in Berlin a year later than planned AND with a heavily reduced number of appearances. The Berlin newspaper sub headline of Petrenko "Coming a year later than planned and then only as a part-timer" will stir this pot quite a lot. It's another slap in the face for Berlin, especially with the recent events with the Gewandhaus Orchestra and Andris Nelsons.
This is definitely a continuing " watch this space" thread.
What next?

[bluestateprommer]

I imagine, away from the press release from the BPO, they are quite shocked to hear that Petrenko is extending his contract at the Bavarian State Opera to 2021 and will begin his tenure in Berlin a year later than planned AND with a heavily reduced number of appearances. The Berlin newspaper sub headline of Petrenko "Coming a year later than planned and then only as a part-timer" will stir this pot quite a lot. It's another slap in the face for Berlin, especially with the recent events with the Gewandhaus Orchestra and Andris Nelsons.
This is definitely a continuing " watch this space" thread.
What next?

There's an alternative POV from Manuel Brug on his blog at this post, where the two words of English in the blog post title give a hint:

http://klassiker.welt.de/2015/10/14/kirill-petrenko-uebernimmt-ab-2019-die-berliner-philharmoniker-so-what/

In other words, in contrast to Matthias Wulff, Brug is a lot more chill about the prospect of KP starting with the Berliners in 2019, rather than right away after the departure of SSR after 2018. Brug seems to be saying that KP is the kind of conductor who is loyal to institutions that are loyal to him, and that 5 years in Munich wouldn't have been enough time to leave a solid legacy for the next person. Even if the most coveted prize in world orchestras falls into his lap, which obviously happened here, that doesn't mean that KP would just dump his Munich post right away, because that would have been a slap in the face to Munich, where, after all, he already has a good job. Plus, the Berlin Phil's election of him as their next boss must have been a total shock and surprise to him, when he probably had plans to extend his Munich tenure already before the Berlin bombshell announcement. The true slap in the face to Berlin would have been if KP had said "No" to the offer.

Also, in comparing this situation to Nelsons and Leipzig, I'm starting to wonder if Berlin will actually be getting the better of the two deals. I have an orchestra acquaintance who used to play with the Boston Symphony, and I asked him, only half in jest, how long he thought, after starting in Leipzig, it would take Nelsons to burn out. He answered, without batting an eye, "Oh, not long at all". And my acquaintance has no hostile feelings to Nelsons at all, but simply reported his honest opinion, based on his observation of Nelsons' very outgoing and passionate style, but which might just prove to be too much when combined with two such demanding posts that will involve a lot of flying back and forth, with a man who, by his own admission, doesn't like airplane travel. My acquaintance seems to like Nelsons, as does just about everybody he knows, which is why every one of them is actually kind of scared for Nelsons. With luck, the KP/BPO situation will turn out, instead of a big splash at the start that peters out with time, maybe a slow burn that gathers more and more fire, in a good way, with time. We shall indeed see.

[bluestateprommer]

KP and the Bavarian State Orchestra are State-side, in NYC this week, with tonight's concert scheduled for broadcast on WQXR's Carnegie Hall Live program:

https://www.wqxr.org/story/kirill-petrenko-conducts-bayerisches-staatsorchester-live-carnegie-hall

Brahms: Double Concerto (Julia Fischer, violin; Daniel Muller-Schott, cello)
Tchaikovsky: Manfred Symphony, Op. 58

This will be archived for later listening for a spell, so no need to catch it in real time right away.

[richardfinegold]

KP and the Bavarian State Orchestra are State-side, in NYC this week, with tonight's concert scheduled for broadcast on WQXR's Carnegie Hall Live program:

https://www.wqxr.org/story/kirill-petrenko-conducts-bayerisches-staatsorchester-live-carnegie-hall

Brahms: Double Concerto (Julia Fischer, violin; Daniel Muller-Schott, cello)
Tchaikovsky: Manfred Symphony, Op. 58

This will be archived for later listening for a spell, so no need to catch it in real time right away.

Thanks. Can you give a shout when it is due to be broadcast?
Btw-I looked up WQXR on Tune In, and they list it as coming from Newark, New Jersey, just in case people have trouble finding it

[bluestateprommer]

Thanks. Can you give a shout when it is due to be broadcast?
Btw-I looked up WQXR on Tune In, and they list it as coming from Newark, New Jersey, just in case people have trouble finding it

It starts at 8 PM NYC time (EDT), and thus 7 PM Chicago time (CDT). (It'll be after midnight in the UK, natch.) I might end up catching this one later on via the archived webcast. Will be interesting to hear your thoughts on it.

[Stanfordian]

coming up on Tuesday evening, a live broadcast and podcast from BR Klassik at 7 PM (British time)
with the Bavarian State Orchestra and Kyrill Petrenko (Rattle's successor at the BPO)

Elgar Violin Concerto with Julia Fischer
Sibelius Symphony 5

The Bavarian State Orchestra is the opera orchestra of the State Opera in Munich of which Petrenko is GMD.

I heard the Bayerisches Staatsorchester in Munich last year, out of the of the pit and relishing giving an orchestra concert, one of the finest orchestras around.

Personally it's Vasily not Kirill that should be referred to as 'The Other Petrenko.

[richardfinegold]

So far, so good. The finale of the Brahms Double is finishing. This is way more exciting than the recording featuring the same Soloists with Kreizberg conducting, now about 10 years old. This is the most involving Brahms Double that I’ve ever heard. The phrasing seems to sweep the bar lines away; this could be the Opera that Brahms never wrote.
On to Manfred!

[kea]

I heard the Bayerisches Staatsorchester in Munich last year, out of the of the pit relishing giving an orchestra concert, one of the finest orchestras around.

Has been the Munich orchestra since roughly the 1500s, and is still basically the equal of the BRSO (which is, of course, a band of virtuosos originally handpicked by Eugen Jochum, and also one of the world's finest orchestras, with a more cosmopolitan and less blended sound). Tradition does count for something I think. Can be heard in a very good Bruckner cycle conducted by Wolfgang Sawallisch.

[richardfinegold]

I was interrupted at the very end of the Manfred last night. Again, this was a very dramatic, soaring account. KP is no shrinking violet on the podium. My reservation is a more personal one, in that I think this piece actually benefits from a more restrained approach, but the hell for leather view is certainly a valid alternative and very exciting. I would love to hear KP in Tchaikovsky 5, a piece that I listened to so frequently in my youth that suffers from over familiarity.
I think I will buy the Berlin Philharmonic Digital Concert Hall when KP takes the baton

[Stanfordian]

Has been the Munich orchestra since roughly the 1500s, and is still basically the equal of the BRSO (which is, of course, a band of virtuosos originally handpicked by Eugen Jochum, and also one of the world's finest orchestras, with a more cosmopolitan and less blended sound). Tradition does count for something I think. Can be heard in a very good Bruckner cycle conducted by Wolfgang Sawallisch.

The long tradition of performing excellence in Munich is well known. Munich is a city where I often attend concerts and it's blessed in my view by having three world class orchestras: Bayerisches Staatsorchester, Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks and Münchner Philharmoniker.

[richardfinegold]

Has been the Munich orchestra since roughly the 1500s, and is still basically the equal of the BRSO (which is, of course, a band of virtuosos originally handpicked by Eugen Jochum, and also one of the world's finest orchestras, with a more cosmopolitan and less blended sound). Tradition does count for something I think. Can be heard in a very good Bruckner cycle conducted by Wolfgang Sawallisch.

I would not feel adequate to make a comparison between these two Bavarian Orchestras based on my brief exposure to the Opera Orchestra last night. They sounded very impressive yesterday and I have been listening quite a bit to the BRSO lately in recordings conducted by Haitink and Jansons so their sound is very much in my head, but listening to a compressed digital radio broadcast isn't the best way to sample, and I was listening on my Home Theater System which has more prosaic equipment than my two channel system. They definitely played with a laser sharp precision, but every Orchestra does that in Carnegie Hall, all with the spit and polish of multiple rehearsals and perfrmances.

[BBMmk2]

I must have a look at this station. they have produced a number of excellent CDs, over the years as well.