A Musical Dinner Party with a Twist

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  • antongould
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 8836

    #31
    J S Bach
    Glenn Gould
    Paul Simon
    Kathleen Ferrier
    Ethel Smyth
    Ravel

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12955

      #32
      Rameau
      Scarlatti
      Haydn
      Rossini
      Berlioz
      ETA Hoffmann

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      • ahinton
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        • Nov 2010
        • 16123

        #33
        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
        Leon Dudley Sorabji and his alter Persian ego 'Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji'? Please have some respect for people who decide to change their names in later life.
        There's a difference here, though; "Leon Dudley" was always going to be provisional, wherea Schönberg merely changed the spelling of his name rather than his name per se. I have immense respect for both of them incidentally!...

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        • Beef Oven!
          Ex-member
          • Sep 2013
          • 18147

          #34
          Originally posted by ahinton View Post
          There's a difference here, though; "Leon Dudley" was always going to be provisional, wherea Schönberg merely changed the spelling of his name rather than his name per se. I have immense respect for both of them incidentally!...
          Then you will have no trouble with dropping 'Leon Dudley S' and 'Schönberg' in favour of the wishes of the individuals concerned.

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          • Pabmusic
            Full Member
            • May 2011
            • 5537

            #35
            Rossini
            Erik Satie
            Elgar
            Percy Grainger
            Ethel Smyth
            Robert Green Ingersoll
            Dittersdorf
            Vaughan Williams

            There's at least one "odd" one there, who wasn't a composer, but there you go...

            [And EE, being bi-polar, might not have been in the mood.]

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            • ahinton
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 16123

              #36
              Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
              Then you will have no trouble with dropping 'Leon Dudley S' and 'Schönberg' in favour of the wishes of the individuals concerned.
              I have never used "Leon Dudley" as anything more than what it was as described above; as to Arnie, I tend to refer to Schönberg when speaking or writing about him up to the time when he made known his wish to change the spelling of his surname.

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              • Beef Oven!
                Ex-member
                • Sep 2013
                • 18147

                #37
                Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                I have never used "Leon Dudley" as anything more than what it was as described above; as to Arnie, I tend to refer to Schönberg when speaking or writing about him up to the time when he made known his wish to change the spelling of his surname.
                His name change was applied retrospectively and it's not for you to decide. Btw, when did Leon Dudley S change his name?

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                • ardcarp
                  Late member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 11102

                  #38
                  Well, you did say singers in th OP, so I'll have half of The Sixteen. But to ensur 'gender balance' SATB needs to be represented. BTW Pabs, who is Ingersoll?

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                  • Lat-Literal
                    Guest
                    • Aug 2015
                    • 6983

                    #39
                    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                    Andre Previn
                    Peter Skellern
                    Malcolm Arnold
                    Billy Joel
                    George Martin
                    Carole King
                    Interesting selection.

                    Andre Previn and Carole King both crossed my mind yesterday when considering who to put forward. George Martin didn't but George Harrison did and GM would be an excellent guest. I could probably pass a note to Stilgoe for you about Skellern as he is occasionally in the local shops. However, he doesn't readily enter into conversation. The album you want is the one Pete did in the late 1970s with the Grimethorpe Colliery Band as the latter bring out the best in him with quiet, sensitive arrangements. It is quite rare.The cover is of a red rose above a colliery. I didn't like the Astaire stuff he did one jot and the jury is out on whether he should have ultimately become the leader of the Liberal Democrats.
                    Last edited by Lat-Literal; 20-09-15, 10:24.

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                    • vinteuil
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12955

                      #40
                      ... and, to find out what was really going on -

                      Frances Purcell
                      Maria Barbara Bach
                      Anna Magdalena Bach
                      Maria Constanze Mozart
                      Mme Amantine-Lucile-Aurore Dudevant née Dupin [George Sand]
                      Isabella Colbran






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                      Last edited by vinteuil; 21-09-15, 15:29.

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                      • ahinton
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 16123

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                        His name change was applied retrospectively and it's not for you to decide. Btw, when did Leon Dudley S change his name?
                        Whose? Sorabji's or Schö/oenberg's? I am well aware that neither change was for me to decide, not least because each occurred well before I was born, so I have not sought to make any such "decision". As to when Sorabji's changed, that's a simple question with complex and unanswerble questions; all of Sorabji's music manuscripts - the earliest known surviving one of which is his first piano concerto - use only the name Kaikhosru or Kaikhusru Sorabji, whereas a few published "letters-to-the-editor" from the years of WWI use "D. K. Sorabji" as though Leon had already been consigned to the dust but Dudley was somehow contriving to hang on, for some unaccountable reason. I have a suspicion that what may have been behind the "Dudley" one might have arisen from an effort at creating a smokescreen of English respectability, though one conferred upon him rather than being of his own making (Alan Bush, later to strike up a long-stnding friendship with Sorabji, had thed middle name "Dudley" but I have no idea if the two ever discussed that subject!)...

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                        • pastoralguy
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 7816

                          #42
                          Wallace Hartley, the leader of the Titanic's orchestra. I'd like to know what really happened that fateful night with regard to the band playing until the last moment and did they actually play 'Nearer thy God to thee'?

                          Bill Wyman to ask if he really did sleep with over a 1000 women during his Stones years.

                          Jean Sibelius. Why did he virtually give up composition at the height of his powers and did he actually finish his eight symphony?

                          Igor Oistrakh. Did he feel overshadowed by his famous father?

                          Chi-Chi Nwanoku. We actually have had a meal with her and she's great company!

                          Yehudi Menuhin. What was it like to be the greatest musical prodigy of modern time and to tell us the REAL story of his upbringing?!

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                          • ahinton
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 16123

                            #43
                            Oh, I don't know; maybe

                            Dmitry Shostakovich
                            Arnold Schö/oenberg
                            Jascha Heifetz
                            J S Bach
                            Ferruccio Busoni
                            Joseph Turner

                            and, if I could have another half dozen,

                            Sacheverell Sitwell
                            Lili Boulanger
                            Elizabeth David
                            Elliott Carter
                            Franz Liszt
                            Oscar Peterson

                            ...or something...

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                            • EdgeleyRob
                              Guest
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 12180

                              #44
                              Charles Valentin Alkan
                              Edward Elgar
                              Ralph Vaughan Williams
                              Adrian Boult
                              Jimi Hendrix
                              Yehudi Menuhin

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                              • verismissimo
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 2957

                                #45
                                For a long time I’ve been curious about a dinner party in Paris on 18 May 1922. Now all has been revealed in Stephen Klaidman’s recent book, a biography of the hosts that evening, Sydney and Violet Schiff. The Schiffs were committed patrons of (and friends with) artists, writers and musicians, and Sydney himself wrote autobiographical novels under the pseudonym Stephen Hudson.

                                It was a late dinner in an upstairs room at the Hotel Majestic, following the first night of Stravinsky’s new burlesque-ballet at the Opéra, Le Renard, which was given by Diaghilev’s Ballet Russes, the same group who had shocked Paris with The Rite of Spring. Diaghilev and several of his dancers came to the dinner, as did the designer of the new production, one Pablo Picasso.

                                But not content with having the leading composer, artist and impresario of the day (and maybe of the century) at their dinner, the Schiffs had also invited two writers, arguably the greatest literary innovators of the twentieth century: Marcel Proust and James Joyce. Proust arrived around midnight and proceeded to make conversation with Stravinsky, saying how much he loved the late quartets of Beethoven and comparing Stravinsky with Beethoven. Sensing that this was Proust trying to show off his connoisseurship in music, Stravinsky took offence: “I detest Beethoven,” he announced. Joyce arrived around 2:30am, shabby and drunk. Proust had not read any of Joyce’s work ‒ Ulysses was causing a great stir at the time, but not with Proust. And Joyce had read just a few pages of Proust’s magnum opus, In Search of Lost Time, and disclosed to a friend some time later that “I cannot see any special talent but I am a bad critic.” They found little to say to each other, these two titans of literature.

                                At the end of the “evening” they shared a taxi together with the Schiffs. Joyce lit a cigarette, but was silent. Proust talked incessantly – but not to Joyce.

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