Ravel, Boulez; BBC Philharmonic, Wigglesworth, Chamayou. Bridgewater Hall.

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  • kindofblue
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    • Nov 2015
    • 145

    Ravel, Boulez; BBC Philharmonic, Wigglesworth, Chamayou. Bridgewater Hall.

    Mercifully the streets were clear of snow but it was right chilly in Manchester on Saturday night. The concert opened with Boulez's 'Rituel - In memoriam Bruno Maderna' which immdiately introduced us to the reality of listening intently - what are those sounds and where are they coming from? There were at least four percissionists seated near the front with small tables and an equally small collection of percussion instruments, plus fourteen other musicians on the balconies [left and right]. A good selection of gongs at the back. I found the piece fascinating and when one reflects that it is in fact to show respect for a fellow musician, quite sombre and powerful.
    The contrast with what followed could scarcely have been greater. After Mark Wigglesworth's entrance, Chamayou pretty much bounded onto the stage, shirt collar open, no score. He really owned this performance; swaying in the jazzy and military band passages, yet he at no point did he overplay the emotion in the second movement. The BBC Philharmonic and Wigglesworth brought out the joy and vibrancy of the piece. Perfect.
    We heard a Kenneth Hesketh orchestration of the 'Sites Auriculaires' which was fairly interesting but no more, and the orchestral version of 'Pavane Pour Une Infante Defunte'. I enjoyed it, but as Chamayou was already in the building...?! The concert finished with Suite No. 2 from Daphnis et Chloe' - just the one movement - which was so brilliant you really missed the other movements. [But you need a choir, so...] I counted nine cellos and a similar number of double basses, the stage was full to bursting, and the power in the climaxes was gripping, the lyrical moments gorgeous. The faces of the players also revealed their delight inplaying this, many were beaming and breathless ath the end. A great concert, though I felt a tiny bit short-changed. The same combination return in February for Ravel's other piano concerto and more Boulez; I shall be there.
  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
    • 26601

    #2
    Very interesting - yes the full ballet would have made for a more generous programme (could have been a good project for singers from the RNCM). I’ve never encountered M. Chamayou live - il vaut le détour, apparemment
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • smittims
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      • Aug 2022
      • 4579

      #3
      I listened to Rituel the other day in Boulez' own BBC recording. I think it's the most accessible of his works, due to the (apparently) regular rhythms and homophonic part-writing. I well recall hearing what may have been its premiere,and feeling that, for all its attractiveness, it does display influences (unusual for this composer). I hear Varese in the background, and also Webern, (op. 6 no.4) and even Birtwistle (The Triumph of Time, which Pierre had in his repertoire at the time, and virtually the only work by a British conductor he played) .

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      • kindofblue
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        • Nov 2015
        • 145

        #4
        Originally posted by smittims View Post
        I listened to Rituel the other day in Boulez' own BBC recording. I think it's the most accessible of his works, due to the (apparently) regular rhythms and homophonic part-writing. I well recall hearing what may have been its premiere,and feeling that, for all its attractiveness, it does display influences (unusual for this composer). I hear Varese in the background, and also Webern, (op. 6 no.4) and even Birtwistle (The Triumph of Time, which Pierre had in his repertoire at the time, and virtually the only work by a British conductor he played) .
        Interesting post smittims. I came to Boulez after many years listening to jazz [modern], including improvisation. So for me Boulez being 'challenging' has never been the issue, it's all down to whether or not I find the experience of listening to him enjoyable, which I generally do. One of our group on Saturday is a pianist/teacher and she immediately latched on to the 'seven note theme' which was mentioned in the programme notes but failed to 'hear'! Thanks for the Webern suggestion, I will follow up later. Interesting also that Birtwistle may be the only Brit conducted or recorded by Boulez. I'm also curious about which composers he seemed to take no interest in - no Shostakovich as far as I can see, and although plenty of Mahler and Wagner, no Bruckner.

        The same personnel will be at the Bridgewater Hall again on February 22 - Ravel's Mother Goose and the other piano concerto, also his orchestration of Pictures at an Exhibition. The evening will begin though with Boulez's 'Notations' - I shall report back!

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        • Alison
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          • Nov 2010
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          #5
          There is of course rather a fine recording of Bruckner 8 conducted by Pierre.

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          • kindofblue
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            • Nov 2015
            • 145

            #6
            Originally posted by Alison View Post
            There is of course rather a fine recording of Bruckner 8 conducted by Pierre.
            Aha, I was [obviously!] unaware of this! I shall seek out. Thanks.

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            • smittims
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              • Aug 2022
              • 4579

              #7
              I well recall Pierre excusing himself from playing British music when he was Chief Conductor , BBC S.O. by saying 'well you know , I must say...' that other conductors did it so much better than he could , so 'please do...' ; it was delivered in his most disarming manner !

              One of his successors, Gennady Rozhdestvensky, really had a go at British Music, conducting The Apostles and some (then rarely-played) Vaughan Williams and Tippett, though the results weren't always very good . I did think he did very well with the Hugh Wood Symphony, though, and when he returned to Russia he recorded all nine VW symphonies.

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              • Alison
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                • Nov 2010
                • 6488

                #8
                This concert to be broadcast 11 March.

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                • oliver sudden
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                  • Feb 2024
                  • 675

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Alison View Post
                  There is of course rather a fine recording of Bruckner 8 conducted by Pierre.
                  There’s also a 9 floating around!

                  Bruckner - Symphony No. 9 in D minor. Vienna Phil., Pierre Boulez, cond. Live Performance.

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                  • ucanseetheend
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 299

                    #10
                    Originally posted by kindofblue View Post
                    Mercifully the streets were clear of snow but it was right chilly in Manchester on Saturday night. The concert opened with Boulez's 'Rituel - In memoriam Bruno Maderna' which immdiately introduced us to the reality of listening intently - what are those sounds and where are they coming from? There were at least four percissionists seated near the front with small tables and an equally small collection of percussion instruments, plus fourteen other musicians on the balconies [left and right]. A good selection of gongs at the back. I found the piece fascinating and when one reflects that it is in fact to show respect for a fellow musician, quite sombre and powerful.
                    The contrast with what followed could scarcely have been greater. After Mark Wigglesworth's entrance, Chamayou pretty much bounded onto the stage, shirt collar open, no score. He really owned this performance; swaying in the jazzy and military band passages, yet he at no point did he overplay the emotion in the second movement. The BBC Philharmonic and Wigglesworth brought out the joy and vibrancy of the piece. Perfect.
                    We heard a Kenneth Hesketh orchestration of the 'Sites Auriculaires' which was fairly interesting but no more, and the orchestral version of 'Pavane Pour Une Infante Defunte'. I enjoyed it, but as Chamayou was already in the building...?! The concert finished with Suite No. 2 from Daphnis et Chloe' - just the one movement - which was so brilliant you really missed the other movements. [But you need a choir, so...] I counted nine cellos and a similar number of double basses, the stage was full to bursting, and the power in the climaxes was gripping, the lyrical moments gorgeous. The faces of the players also revealed their delight inplaying this, many were beaming and breathless ath the end. A great concert, though I felt a tiny bit short-changed. The same combination return in February for Ravel's other piano concerto and more Boulez; I shall be there.
                    What an inept review. Started with refering to Chamayou bounding in and never mentioned what concerto he was playing . Stick to info rather than trying to impress with writing
                    "Perfection is not attainable,but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence"

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                    • HighlandDougie
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3129

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ucanseetheend View Post

                      What an inept review. Started with refering to Chamayou bounding in and never mentioned what concerto he was playing . Stick to info rather than trying to impress with writing
                      Although implied by the reference to Ravel's, "other piano concerto", (so clearly the G Major PC which was performed), rather than explicitly mentioned, "inept", strikes me as a rather harsh - not to say churlish - judgement on an enthusiastic post on what was clearly a fine concert. I am much looking forward to hearing it when it's broadcast. Bertrand Chamayou is both an excellent pianist in the technical sense and in his enthusiasm for and intellectual interest in what he is playing, whether it be Mozart or John Cage. Great Messiaen interpreter, too. A French equivalent of Steven Osborne?
                      Last edited by HighlandDougie; 16-01-25, 10:03.

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                      • silvestrione
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                        • Jan 2011
                        • 1738

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ucanseetheend View Post

                        What an inept review. Started with refering to Chamayou bounding in and never mentioned what concerto he was playing . Stick to info rather than trying to impress with writing
                        Not 'inept' for me at all! I enjoyed reading it, ddid not notice any intent to 'impress', and consider ucanseetheend rather sour on this occasion. Thanks for taking the trouble, and I will certainly listen to the Ravel when the time comes...

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                        • Nick Armstrong
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 26601

                          #13
                          Originally posted by HighlandDougie View Post
                          …"inept", strikes me as a rather harsh - not to say churlish - judgement…
                          … obnoxious, even
                          "...the isle is full of noises,
                          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                          • Sir Velo
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                            • Oct 2012
                            • 3280

                            #14
                            Originally posted by silvestrione View Post

                            Not 'inept' for me at all! I enjoyed reading it, did not notice any intent to 'impress', and consider ucanseetheend rather sour on this occasion.
                            As opposed to all the other occasions when he is all sweetness and light?

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                            • kindofblue
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 145

                              #15
                              Have just caught up on previous comments.

                              Smittims - thanks for the heads up cf. the Webern piece, the op.6. N. 4, I see what you're saying, a similar feel of sparceness, edginess. A greater range of percussion in the Boulez, but was anyone using such a range of gongs in Webern's time?

                              Alison - thanks [again], have enjoyed streaming the Bruckner 8.

                              HighlandDougie - on the strength of what I heard last Saturday I listened to Chamayou's Satie and Cage CD [Letter/s to Eric Satie] with great pleasure. His delight in the sounds that a piano can make is infectious, and the juxtoposition of Satie/Cage works well.

                              And here, in a few short posts, is why this Forum can be such fun - a shared love of music, sharing experiences, knowledge and passions.



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