"Classical Live" was once Afternoon Concert

[LMcD]

Yes there are still complete works; they managed to do that in the previous version as well, but the inclusion of a bigger work at 3pm as a regular feature made it marginally easier to home in on the peripheral pieces.that might have been of interest. Now I just don't bother at all.Like you the radio goes off after Breakfast but, unlike you, rarely goes back on again as the evening concerts of interest are very few - perhaps one work every now and then, but not the whole thing - and the other programmes are also not particularly my thing.

For me at least, 'Breakfast' (Sunday to Friday), 'Night Tracks' and Soweto Kinch offer the right 'product' at the right time. That's very rarely the case in the intervening 12 hours 30 minutes!.

[french frank]

For me at least, 'Breakfast' (Sunday to Friday), 'Night Tracks' and Soweto Kinch offer the right 'product' at the right time. That's very rarely the case in the intervening 12 hours 30 minutes!.

And possibly not even those are enough to attract back listeners for whom Breakfast and Night Tracks (Where's the Beef?) are both total no-nos. And those who used to listen purely for the classical music and Do3. Plus intelligent speech programmes. Too little.

Once it gets down to so few programmes, why bother at all? As long as they get no worse you'll continue to listen. When they clunk down another rung or two maybe even you will give up?

[LMcD]

And possibly not even those are enough to attract back listeners for whom Breakfast and Night Tracks (Where's the Beef?) are both total no-nos. And those who used to listen purely for the classical music and Do3. Plus intelligent speech programmes. Too little.

Once it gets down to so few programmes, why bother at all? As long as they get no worse you'll continue to listen. When they clunk down another rung or two maybe even you will give up?

Awful as that prospect is, it would be unwise to rule it out, I guess.

[Retune]

What used to be Afternoon Concert, (and a whole Opera one afternoon a week, I think Thursdays?) has been junked and we now get the usual mess of single movements ripped out of whole works and the usual inane chatter: dismal!

I really don't know why they bother with entire movements - surely just a first subject, coda or cadenza would be enough to give us a flavour of the work? Then there'd be more time to advertise 'Call the Midwife' or invite listeners to tweet their favourite classical chillout playlists. Would anyone like to DM @classicjacko to suggest this exciting new concept? I'm sure he'd enjoy unpacking it.

[LMcD]

I really don't know why they bother with entire movements - surely just a first subject, coda or cadenza would be enough to give us a flavour of the work? Then there'd be more time to advertise 'Call the Midwife' or invite listeners to tweet their favourite classical chillout playlists. Would anyone like to DM @classicjacko to suggest this exciting new concept? I'm sure he'd enjoy unpacking it.

Perhaps Mahler's 6th could be reduced to the final 'blows of fate' and Sibelius's 5th to Thor's hammering..

[oddoneout]

I had to laugh or I'd cry...

A special live broadcast by the BBC Philharmonic
Elizabeth Alker with a concert broadcast live from the MediaCity studios in Salford ...

So "live" as in actual, real-time, risk of mistakes "live". Good grief, whatever next? I thought the R3 lexicon had excised "live", in its true meaning, from its pages.

[smittims]

At about 1555 yesterday after Choral Evensong Elizabeth Alker announced 'one more treat'. A five-minute 'minimalist' piece was then heard, but not named. I think she should have told us what it was. It's on the 'Sounds' recording of Choral Evensong, just before COTW.

[AuntDaisy]

At about 1555 yesterday after Choral Evensong Elizabeth Alker announced 'one more treat'. A five-minute 'minimalist' piece was then heard, but not named. I think she should have told us what it was. It's on the 'Sounds' recording of Choral Evensong, just before COTW.

Shazam thinks it's from Lara James "Facades", contemporary works for saxophone. Not my cup of tea (I was quite happily enjoying Beethoven Op.18'1, Artis Quartet.)

Sorry if this offends anyone, but I can't stand Elizabeth Alker - wish she'd pootle off back to Radio 6 Music.

[LMcD]

Shazam thinks it's from Lara James "Facades", contemporary works for saxophone. Not my cup of tea (I was quite happily enjoying Beethoven Op.18'1, Artis Quartet.)

Sorry if this offends anyone, but I can't stand Elizabeth Alker - wish she'd pootle off back to Radio 6 Music.

At least she's leaving the Saturday breakfast show.

[smittims]

I'll probably get death threats for saying this, but I believe Ms Alker was chosen for her working-class accent, in a fit of inverted snobbery. We live in an age of image rather than learning.

[vinteuil]

I'll probably get death threats for saying this, but I believe Ms Alker was chosen for her working-class accent, in a fit of inverted snobbery. We live in an age of image rather than learning.

... 'northern' rather than 'working class' I think. Her grandfather was a headmaster.

I had not known how 'church' she was -

https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/com...-accent-stigma

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[AuntDaisy]

I'll probably get death threats for saying this, but I believe Ms Alker was chosen for her working-class accent, in a fit of inverted snobbery. We live in an age of image rather than learning.

As a Northerner myself, I can live with her accent. It's more the over-enthusiasm (think new Primary School Teacher to small children) and the foisting of atrocious choices of "music" on us - in between decent selections, which makes it even worse! Rant over, sorry.

[vinteuil]

Rant over, sorry.

... more rants, please!

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[AuntDaisy]

... 'northern' rather than 'working class' I think. Her grandfather was a headmaster.
I had not known how 'church' she was -
https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/com...-accent-stigma,

Please don't do that again Vinteuil...
I'll never be able to hear "And then I was dividing up some fennel sausage pasta with my husband last night." again.

[oddoneout]

Please don't do that again Vinteuil...
I'll never be able to hear "And then I was dividing up some fennel sausage pasta with my husband last night." again.

There is an unfortunate reply under "Faith and northernness in public life" that made me feel queasy, but the whole thing is more than a little indigestible. Straight transcriptions of spoken interviews do not make good reading, unless both participants are articulate.
I'm still trying to make sense of this(in the context of EA's book) said by Elizabeth notAlker

One of the things they do with Radio 3, is that they sort of put you in the crossover places to sort of translate different tribes to each other.

This I find odd - does she(EA) really think that - where does playing for pleasure rather than as a career come in?

Classical music is an interesting one because obviously, to play, you have to be brilliant. It’s kind of like sport in that way, there is that standard it for the performers. And that requires years of training and investment. So already, it’s just exclusive by its nature in that sense, and that’s very difficult because the standard needs to be maintained.

This should all probably be in the Presenter thread...