FNiMN

[LMcD]

All of which diverts from the argument that FNiMN is 'easy listening' (apparently a more acceptable term than 'dumbing down' - so be it) and that the great change in Radio 3 is that too great a proportion of the programming is now 'easy listening' for the broad public rather than the quality arts broadcasting which the BBC once considered the duty of a Public Service Broadcaster to provide.

Everything has to be plentiful, cheap, quick, minimal effort: it's the way of the world.

Perhaps I'm alone in being in the mood for 'easy listening' on a Friday evening. For me, FNiMN is a rare example of a programme being in the right place at the right time, another couple being Night Tracks and Round Midnight. I shall certainly be tuning in to tomorrow night's 'live' concert which will presumably make greater demands of me,

[smittims]

Thanks for your further thoughts, odddoneout. I think you are being very lenient and generous.

[french frank]

Perhaps I'm alone in being in the mood for 'easy listening' on a Friday evening. For me, FNiMN is a rare example of a programme being in the right place at the right time, another couple being Night Tracks and Round Midnight.

You are not alone. That's the point. And as such you're part of the problem because you focus on what suits you. But what enriches your personal listening deprives others. Where are Radio 3's priorities these days? With attracting as many people as possible to listen for as long as possible. Pretty unambitious in artistic terms. Who is going to speak up for the arts?

They'd get more listeners listening for longer if they just replicated what R2 does ... Oh ... just thought: that's what they've started to do. Hello, Jools, hello FNiMN, goodbye drama

[vinteuil]

Perhaps I'm alone in being in the mood for 'easy listening' on a Friday evening. For me, FNiMN is a rare example of a programme being in the right place at the right time...

..."easy listening" - surely "the right place" is the Light Programme - or Radio 2 as you youngsters will have it.

Now where did Friday Night is Music Night come from - ah! Radio 2! the Light Programme!!

Why is it invading the Third Programme? - oops, Radio 3??

[Pulcinella]

..."easy listening" - surely "the right place" is the Light Programme - or Radio 2 as you youngsters will have it.

Now where did Friday Night is Music Night come from - ah! Radio 2! the Light Programme!!

Why is it invading the Third Programme? - oops, Radio 3??

Surely, because Radio 3 is the home of classical music, isn't it?
Or so we're constantly being told.

[french frank]

Surely, because Radio 3 is the home of classical music, isn't it?

Or because R2 is now the home of Strictly Come Pop. Anything else which might command a measurable audience is moved to R3, home of classical music and other assorted oddities. Anything on R3 which doesn't command a measurable audience is axed.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Some thoughts.
He is human and humans aren't machines, they are fallible; brain processes don't always produce the right or helpful results.
The modern demands that presenters speak at every available opportunity reduces the space to consider what is being said - engaging brain before speaking, and choosing to not speak if there is nothing to say - which increases the incidence of mistakes and poor quality.
It was a proper live broadcast, ie in real time, not a relay of a live recording when mistakes can be sorted out later. Even if he realised as he was speaking that what he said seemed wrong, what does he do? Tell the conductor to hang on a minute so he can correct?
The deliberate delivery could have been due to multitasking and/or perhaps a doubt about what he was reading from the script and weighing up what the options were.
If wartime aircraft are not an area of knowledge to him what seems an obvious nonsense to a person with that knowledge won't immediately register.
Given the rubbish that appears on the online schedules, can we be sure that his script was factually correct? If it was produced by some one ignorant of wartime aircraft, or indeed aircraft in general would they have realised that word was a nonsense before sending the script out?

The phrase mountains and molehills comes to mind. Every week worse factual errors go out . Given the volume of output it’s inevitable.
He was probably reading some one else’s script.
As it happens Petroc worked for BFBS for a time and I think he lived when young near RNAS Culdrose - the naval air station that helps protect the Western Approaches. So I suspect he would be more familiar than most with military aircraft as they fly overhead constantly . He also has the distinction of being arrested by Zimbabwean police on a trip there for a music charity - one of quite a few he supports.

A good time to plug his excellent book Trelawny’s Cornwall.

[Ein Heldenleben]

You are not alone. That's the point. And as such you're part of the problem because you focus on what suits you. But what enriches your personal listening deprives others. Where are Radio 3's priorities these days? With attracting as many people as possible to listen for as long as possible. Pretty unambitious in artistic terms. Who is going to speak up for the arts?

They'd get more listeners listening for longer if they just replicated what R2 does ... Oh ... just thought: that's what they've started to do. Hello, Jools, hello FNiMN, goodbye drama

I don’t have a problem with FNIMN mainly because a reasonable proportion of it is classical music . Thanks to TTN Radio 3 currently broadcasts more classical music than in it did in the glory days and it’s relatively easy to timeshift when the daytime schedules irritate . I don’t have a problem with Jools - when you listen it’s actually one of the more intelligent programmes around - better than the Jess Gillam Prog where they talk over the music - that is my line in the sand.

[LMcD]

..."easy listening" - surely "the right place" is the Light Programme - or Radio 2 as you youngsters will have it.

Now where did Friday Night is Music Night come from - ah! Radio 2! the Light Programme!!

Why is it invading the Third Programme? - oops, Radio 3??

I'm afraid there's no chance of FNiMN or anything similar featuring on today's Radio 2, where even 1960s pop is now heard only rarely, and the only alternative that I can see to its taking up a couple of hours of Radio 3's week is to deny it any airtime at all on linear BBC radio,

[Ein Heldenleben]

I'm afraid there's no chance of FNiMN or anything similar featuring on today's Radio 2, where even 1960s pop is now heard only rarely, and the only alternative that I can see to its taking up a couple of hours of Radio 3's week is to deny it any airtime at all on linear BBC radio,

Good point LMcD. Light music lovers like us are a persecuted minority.

[LMcD]

The phrase mountains and molehills comes to mind. Every week worse factual errors go out . Given the volume of output it’s inevitable.
He was probably reading some one else’s script.
As it happens Petroc worked for BFBS for a time and I think he lived when young near RNAS Culdrose - the naval air station that helps protect the Western Approaches. So I suspect he would be more familiar than most with military aircraft as they fly overhead constantly . He also has the distinction of being arrested by Zimbabwean police on a trip there for a music charity - one of quite a few he supports.

A good time to plug his excellent book Trelawny’s Cornwall.

I suspect that's what happened - he probably realized it was wrong as he read it out but was hardly likely to stop in mid-sentence and text whoever wrote it, was he?

[Serial_Apologist]

I suspect that's what happened - he probably realized it was wrong as he read it out but was hardly likely to stop in mid-sentence and text whoever wrote it, was he?

He could have stopped at that juncture, pointing out what should have been the correct word - assuming he knew - and thereby encouraged a few red faces in the department concerned to check before sending.

[LMcD]

He could have stopped at that juncture, pointing out what should have been the correct word - assuming he knew - and thereby encouraged a few red faces in the department concerned to check before sending.

... and if he'd stopped, only to discover that he was wrong after all? The orchestra and audience would presumably have waited, or tuned up again, in the meantime until he was ready to continue. I think we should take a leaf from Petroc's book and move on.

[french frank]

He was probably reading some one else’s script.

I thought we'd been assured that nowadays presenters all wrote their own scripts? That said, I'd be more concerned about a musical factual inaccuracy. Personally I wouldn't even have registered that there was a mistake, having neither knowledge nor interest in wartime combat detail of - what? - 70 years ago? Though I imagine men 'd'un certain âge' might be quicker to notice. If they don't actually remember it, they will still be reading books about it.

[oddoneout]

I'm afraid there's no chance of FNiMN or anything similar featuring on today's Radio 2, where even 1960s pop is now heard only rarely, and the only alternative that I can see to its taking up a couple of hours of Radio 3's week is to deny it any airtime at all on linear BBC radio,

Is R3 Unravel its ultimate destination I wonder? This is from a post today on the 'R3 Unwind' thread
“Those playlists contain the most popular, familiar repertoire. ....” He also argues that Unwind allows Radio 3 to spotlight British composers who won't be heard on “main” Radio 3, naming as an example the Scottish folk-inspired artist Erland Cooper.