Telemann and Salve Regina

[doversoul1]

Saturday
Catherine Bott explores the idea of Telemann the Everyman: how he absorbed and excelled at so many musical styles, and purposely made his music available and appealing to the widest possible audience. She's joined by musicologist, flautist and all-round Telemann expert Steven Zohn.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01qwgb7

Performers include Catherine Bott (soprano), Capella Brugensis , Collegium Instrumentale Brugense, Patrick Peire (director)

Sunday
Lucie Skeaping finds out how the Marian hymn "Salve Regina" fascinated European composers throughout the Renaissance era. The original chant is itself an exquisitely beautiful melody and it inspired several generations of composers to write soaring polyphonic settings around it, including Guerrero, Ockeghem, Victoria, Lassus and many others. As well as the chant itself, Lucie Skeaping introduces a selection of these settings and talks to Dr Owen Rees, Reader in Music at Oxford University, about how the chant became popular, its liturtigal significance and its musical legacy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01qwgnw

CD Review
9.05
Tie in with Saturday’s EMS: Telemann

[Nick Armstrong]

Very much looking forward to all the above.

I've yet to find the key to Telemann. (He's my baroque equivalent of Hindemith - others seem to get a lot out if it but bar a couple of pieces, it's a from me. My fault, to be sure).

[Thropplenoggin]

Very much looking forward to all the above.

I've yet to find the key to Telemann. (He's my baroque equivalent of Hindemith - others seem to get a lot out if it but bar a couple of pieces, it's a from me. My fault, to be sure).

Surely Hindemith is spelt L-i-s-z-t in this instance of equivalence, no?

[Nick Armstrong]

Surely Hindemith is spelt L-i-s-z-t in this instance of equivalence, no?

The equivalence in my mind is rather R-e-g-e-r... But I've been told it's terribly naff to try and link Paul and Max.

However, let's stay on topic shall we?

Any views on Telemann, Thropples?

[Thropplenoggin]

The equivalence in my mind is rather R-e-g-e-r... But I've been told it's terribly naff to try and link Paul and Max.

However, let's stay on topic shall we?

Any views on Telemann, Thropples?

Ouf! The Host flexed his official-looking biceps...

I haven't heard enough of Telemann to have an opinion and what I have heard hasn't turned my head the way, say, Wilhelm Friedemann Bach did this week.

However, I have just ordered an exquisite Salve Regina by Pergolesi, sung by Barbara Schlick with Fabio Biondi, Europa Galante, Alessandrini. Bizarrely, I managed to get a new CD for €0.10. It's my first version of this hymn and comes backed with a very operatic version by Leonardo Leo. Well worth a punt, I'd say.

[ardcarp]

I think I'm with you on Telemann, Calibs. Very competent and well-wrought stuff of course, but can be just a tad, well, ordinary.

Looking forward to the Salve Regina programme, but alas it will have to be via i-player as this Sunday is not a day of rest.

[Roehre]

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Looking forward to the Salve Regina programme, but alas it will have to be via i-player as this Sunday is not a day of rest.

That makes two of us

[MickyD]

Very much looking forward to all the above.

I've yet to find the key to Telemann. (He's my baroque equivalent of Hindemith - others seem to get a lot out if it but bar a couple of pieces, it's a from me. My fault, to be sure).

This piece is the key to Telemann for me, Caliban...give it a try, I hope it convinces you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_qutnEe_DM

[BBMmk2]

Thropps, I must urge you to think again aboiut Telemann's music, maybe at a later date. He never really connected with me, (his music), but heard his Tafelmusik once, and that really bowled me over, with the style of writing, etc.

The recording I have is played by the Frieburger Barockorchester, Petra Mullians and Gottfried von der Gotz, on Harmonia Mundi.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

Thropps, I must urge you to think again aboiut Telemann's music, maybe at a later date. He never really connected with me, (his music), but heard his Tafelmusik once, and that really bowled me over, with the style of writing, etc.

The recording I have is played by the Frieburger Barockorchester, Petra Mullians and Gottfried von der Gotz, on Harmonia Mundi.

yes just keep putting it on every now and then and you will find a welcome in his music .... i was deeply smitten by the fFrans Bruggen recorder lps in my youth ...

[Gordon]

Like #6 I could never get into Telemann - highly gifted, he seems to be the epitome of "sewing machine" baroque, skillfully written and sometimes inventive but never penetrating the ear as well as the great JS Bach or even as exilarating as Handel in full operatic flow. Teleman was a friend of Bach and godfather to one of his sons and of course a rival for Leipzig. The solo violin pieces illustrate the difference in profundity.

Then I met the Brockes Passion [I was "badgered" into it!] and was impressed, well worth a listen. The opening is a good sample for the rest. Maybe I'll listen to some more of his choral pieces. What do people think of as Telemann's greatest pieces that are the equal of Bach or Handel?

[MickyD]

Like #6 I could never get into Telemann - highly gifted, he seems to be the epitome of "sewing machine" baroque, skillfully written and sometimes inventive but never penetrating the ear as well as the great JS Bach or even as exilarating as Handel in full operatic flow. Teleman was a friend of Bach and godfather to one of his sons and of course a rival for Leipzig. The solo violin pieces illustrate the difference in profundity.

Then I met the Brockes Passion [I was "badgered" into it!] and was impressed, well worth a listen. The opening is a good sample for the rest. Maybe I'll listen to some more of his choral pieces. What do people think of as Telemann's greatest pieces that are the equal of Bach or Handel?

In response to the last question, try the cantata "Du aber, Daniel, gehe hin", now available on budget price Harmonia Mundi CD featuring Cantus Koln and Konrad Junghanel.

[Thropplenoggin]

Cheers BBM and Jazzer. This is becoming a very lively and informative thread.

[doversoul1]

I am inclined to see Bach as an exception rather than the standard against which other composers should be measured. I see composers in the Baroque ear as superb craftsmen who provided music to meet the demand. Profundity was, I imagine, not very high in their priority or at least in their minds. Nevertheless, from time to time, something sublime and profound appeared. I can’t say where the line can be drawn between Art and craft. It may be a lot to do with how the music is performed or how our minds are happened to be set when we hear it. I think this is one of the pleasures of early music to me.

Catherine Bott said, 'Telemann made music accessible but accessibility in his time was not the cultural jargon as it is today' (Hear hear!!).

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

doversoul .......

jazz suffered greatly from the sentiment that s/he is not Charlie Parker ..... well no they weren't but they were exceedingly good to listen to ...

i bought [inspired by spendthrifts on the Bargains thread] The Collected Recordings Of Il Giardino Armonico in mp3 format for something a bit less than the current asking price of £20 ............ boodles of Telemann brilliantly played [and with 232 tracks rather a lot more than Georg Phillip]