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  • vinteuil
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    • Nov 2010
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    Debussy Preludes - early pianos

    CD Review this Saturday 9 June has as Disc of the Week - Debussy, Complete Preludes : Alexei Lubimov [1925 Bechstein; 1913 Steinway].

    I shall be interested to hear how this compares with the harmonia mundi disc I have of Alain Planès - who performs these works on an 1897 Bechstein. ( The marvellous 5 CD Planès box of Debussy - l' œuvre pour piano - also has the Images / Arabesques / Children's Corner / Suite Bergamasque on a 1902 Blüthner )
  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
    • 26538

    #2
    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
    CD Review this Saturday 9 June has as Disc of the Week - Debussy, Complete Preludes : Alexei Lubimov [1925 Bechstein; 1913 Steinway].

    I shall be interested to hear how this compares with the harmonia mundi disc I have of Alain Planès - who performs these works on an 1897 Bechstein. ( The marvellous 5 CD Planès box of Debussy - l' œuvre pour piano - also has the Images / Arabesques / Children's Corner / Suite Bergamasque on a 1902 Blüthner )
    I have a 1911 Bechstein. When I play "La fille aux cheveux de lin", am I therefore being frightfully HIP?
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12843

      #3
      Originally posted by Caliban View Post
      I have a 1911 Bechstein. When I play "La fille aux cheveux de lin", am I therefore being frightfully HIP?
      You are (as long as you're wearing the right clothes, drinking the right kind of absinthe , &c, &c... ) - and I envy you hugely....

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      • Nick Armstrong
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        • Nov 2010
        • 26538

        #4
        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
        You are (as long as you're wearing the right clothes, drinking the right kind of absinthe , &c, &c... ) - and I envy you hugely....
        Clothing - tick! Absinthe - tick!

        It spent 50 years in the relevant maiden aunts' cold Bradford front room not being played much. It's taken 10 years to coax back up to pitch. The sound board is slightly cracked, some of the keys have a sticky tendency and the (original) strings keep going (several notes are reduced to 2 instead of 3). It really needs a proper fettle which means it going on a trip to Poland and expenditure running into a fat four-figure sum. Not likely to happen soon and perhaps not all that enviable!

        However it was tuned a week ago and is sounding very sweet. The last thing I played was in fact by CD - 'Clair de lune' the other evening.
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          #5
          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
          It spent 50 years in the relevant maiden aunts' cold Bradford front room not being played much. It's taken 10 years to coax back up to pitch. The sound board is slightly cracked, some of the keys have a sticky tendency and the (original) strings keep going (several notes are reduced to 2 instead of 3). It really needs a proper fettle which means it going on a trip to Poland and expenditure running into a fat four-figure sum.
          Last time I saw him, my GP said something very similar about me!
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • Serial_Apologist
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            • Dec 2010
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            #6
            Originally posted by Caliban View Post
            [COLOR="#0000FF"]Clothing - tick! Absinthe - tick!

            It spent 50 years in the relevant maiden aunts' cold Bradford front room not being played much. It's taken 10 years to coax back up to pitch. The sound board is slightly cracked, some of the keys have a sticky tendency and the (original) strings keep going (several notes are reduced to 2 instead of 3). It really needs a proper fettle which means it going on a trip to Poland and expenditure running into a fat four-figure sum. Not likely to happen soon and perhaps not all that enviable!
            In the meanwhile you'd still have the clobber and the tipple - the absinthe would make the heart grow fonder.
            Last edited by Serial_Apologist; 06-06-12, 19:09.

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            • vinteuil
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              • Nov 2010
              • 12843

              #7
              Originally posted by Caliban View Post
              The sound board is slightly cracked, some of the keys have a sticky tendency and the (original) strings keep going (several notes are reduced to 2 instead of 3). It really needs a proper fettle

              ... sadly my 1865 Broadwood is now, I fear, beyond redemption.

              If my premium bonds ever come up, I think a repro Walther or Graf wd be nice

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              • Tony Halstead
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                • Nov 2010
                • 1717

                #8
                a trip to Poland
                Good grief, Caliban, is that where Bechsteins are made these days?

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                • Nick Armstrong
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 26538

                  #9
                  Originally posted by waldhorn View Post
                  Good grief, Caliban, is that where Bechsteins are made these days?
                  No - but it is where the world centre of piano refurbishment is located, in the town of Kalisz (several enterprises, used by all the main manufacturers... so I am informed) This seems to confirm it:
                  piano, united, news, cover, america, states, europe, keyboard, germany, oasis, england, canada, china, united states, playing, australia, nations, russia, world


                  See also: http://www.jspianos.com/hire/piano-r...FUUhtAodb0Nt9w
                  "...the isle is full of noises,
                  Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                  Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                  Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                  • MickyD
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                    • Nov 2010
                    • 4774

                    #10
                    I believe the first CD of Debussy préludes on a period piano was in 1993 by Jos Van Immerseel on Channel Classics, using an 1897 Erard. The CD liner notes are fascinating, recounting the story of how the instrument was discovered in immaculate condition by Immerseel in 1976.

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                    • amateur51

                      #11
                      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                      CD Review this Saturday 9 June has as Disc of the Week - Debussy, Complete Preludes : Alexei Lubimov [1925 Bechstein; 1913 Steinway].

                      I shall be interested to hear how this compares with the harmonia mundi disc I have of Alain Planès - who performs these works on an 1897 Bechstein. ( The marvellous 5 CD Planès box of Debussy - l' œuvre pour piano - also has the Images / Arabesques / Children's Corner / Suite Bergamasque on a 1902 Blüthner )
                      Cheapest price is currently ...



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                      • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 20570

                        #12
                        I have a 2003 Steinway. What music am I permitted to play on it?

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                        • MrGongGong
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 18357

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                          I have a 2003 Steinway. What music am I permitted to play on it?
                          La Monte Young's Piano Piece for David
                          Tudor #1, written in October 1960,
                          instructs: "Bring a bale of hay and a bucket
                          of water onto the stage for the piano to eat
                          and drink. The performer may then feed the
                          piano or leave it to eat by itself. If the
                          former, the piece is over after the piano
                          has been fed. If the latter, it is over
                          after the piano eats or decides not to".

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                          • JohnSkelton

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                            I have a 2003 Steinway. What music am I permitted to play on it?
                            In the privacy of your own home ... anything! Even (shudder) Bach .

                            I bought the Planès recordings as they came out and they shouldn't be missed as Debussy playing by anyone who cares about Debussy's piano music (IMO). Some pianists seem to go to elaborate lengths to miss the point with Debussy, Planès gets most things beautifully right. And for HIPP-sceptics - they are proper pianos .

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                            • Eine Alpensinfonie
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 20570

                              #15
                              Originally posted by JohnSkelton View Post
                              In the privacy of your own home ... anything! Even (shudder) Bach .

                              I bought the Planès recordings as they came out and they shouldn't be missed as Debussy playing by anyone who cares about Debussy's piano music (IMO). Some pianists seem to go to elaborate lengths to miss the point with Debussy, Planès gets most things beautifully right. And for HIPP-sceptics - they are proper pianos .
                              That's OK then.

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