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  • ardcarp
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11102

    Albinoni today - and a new presenter?

    Ana Her celebrates the 350th anniversary of the birth of Tomaso Albinoni on 8 June 1671.


    Ana Her celebrates the life and work of Italian composer Tomaso Albinoni, known for his operas and instrumental music, marking the 350th anniversary of his birth on 8 June 1671. It is thought that Albinoni wrote at least 50 operas, although few of them survive. His oboe concertos were the first of their type by an Italian composer to be published, and his instrumental music was admired by Bach, who wrote fugues based on Albinoni's works and also used them in his teaching.
  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30278

    #2
    Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000wsl7

    Ana Her celebrates the life and work of Italian composer Tomaso Albinoni, known for his operas and instrumental music, marking the 350th anniversary of his birth on 8 June 1671. It is thought that Albinoni wrote at least 50 operas, although few of them survive. His oboe concertos were the first of their type by an Italian composer to be published, and his instrumental music was admired by Bach, who wrote fugues based on Albinoni's works and also used them in his teaching.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • AuntDaisy
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      • Jun 2018
      • 1635

      #3
      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      Are R3 presenters getting younger? Or, am I thinking of policemen?

      Interesting to compare with Lucie Skeaping's 2006 EMS.
      Lucie Skeaping profiles the life and music of the Italian Baroque composer Tomaso Albinoni, whose output included not only a large number of oboe concertos, but also a vast amount of choral, orchestral and chamber music, and music for the Venetian theatre.

      Any chance of dear old Catherine Bott coming back? Her profile is still (hidden) on the EMS presenter webpage. Perhaps the Swingle Singers just aren't radical enough these days...

      Catherine Bott

      Catherine Bott grew up listening to the radio (everything from Pied Piper to the Critics, Housewives' Choice to Round the Horne).
      As a teenage wannabe actress, she did two seasons with the National Youth Theatre, and was then intending to read English at university, but the discovery that she could sing well enough to win a place at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama made up her mind about a career.
      After Guildhall she sang with the Swingle Singers, performing everything from Bach to Berio and developing her gift for improvisation and scat singing. After two years she left to begin a distinguished career in early music. Among her many recordings in this field are Bach's St. John Passion, Monteverdi's L'Incoronazione di Poppaea and Purcell's Dido and Aeneas.
      Nowadays she is spreading her musical wings to perform and record works by Jonathan Dove, Joe Duddell and Michael Nyman: her next cd, London Pride, includes a baroque cantata by Joyce Grenfell and Donald Swann and a number by those well-known Early Music virtuosi Kit and the Widow
      Back in the radio world, Catherine's never stopped listening: after all, long before television dared to put an authoritative, intelligent woman presenter on screen, radio had Patricia Hughes, Sue MacGregor and Listen with Mother's Julia Lang and Daphne Oxenford - inspirational voices. She's made many guest appearances on In Tune, Woman's Hour and various Radio 3 programmes, and is now relishing the opportunity to learn the very different skills involved in presenting The Early Music Show. You can also hear her in occasional features for Music Matters.
      Leisure activities? Well, between singing and broadcasting, she doesn't seem to have a day off at the moment...

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
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        • Nov 2010
        • 20570

        #4
        Originally posted by AuntDaisy View Post

        Any chance of dear old Catherine Bott coming back? Her profile is still (hidden) on the EMS presenter webpage. Perhaps the Swingle Singers just aren't radical enough these days...
        Be careful what you wish for. On CFM, CB seems to have become a Katie D clone, sharing the same mannerisms and flirtatious giggles as her mentor. This is rather tragic, considering the respect she gained on this forum. And in the case of Albinoni, she still appears to think that sumptuous Giazotto Adagio was composed by him.

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        • AuntDaisy
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          • Jun 2018
          • 1635

          #5
          Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
          Be careful what you wish for. On CFM, CB seems to have become a Katie D clone, sharing the same mannerisms and flirtatious giggles as her mentor. This is rather tragic, considering the respect she gained on this forum. And in the case of Albinoni, she still appears to think that sumptuous Giazotto Adagio was composed by him.
          Oh dear, I hadn't realised. She seemed her old self on the Wigmore Hall YouTube concerts.

          And thanks for educating me on the Giazotto Adagio. Lucie Skeaping certainly knew :-)

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          • Old Grumpy
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            • Jan 2011
            • 3609

            #6
            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
            Be careful what you wish for. On CFM, CB seems to have become a Katie D clone, sharing the same mannerisms and flirtatious giggles as her mentor. This is rather tragic, considering the respect she gained on this forum. And in the case of Albinoni, she still appears to think that sumptuous Giazotto Adagio was composed by him.
            I suspect she knows perfectly well, but is sticking to the CFM script...

            OG

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30278

              #7
              Interested to hear thoughts on this new presenter. Cynical me, but given the amount she seems to have packed into her life so far, I feel that she fits the R3 bill best because of her 'uplifting and fresh sets, mixing all kinds of House, Urban and Pop' rather than what might have been quite a short career with 'various orchestras including the BBC Symphony Orchestra and the Philharmonia'. But if she does this 'specialist' job well …
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • Beresford
                Full Member
                • Apr 2012
                • 555

                #8
                A very clear voice, could be more informal. She was obviously reading from a script, and maybe because of that she was lowering her voice at the end of each sentence. Could learn from Petroc's delivery.

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                • Serial_Apologist
                  Full Member
                  • Dec 2010
                  • 37671

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Beresford View Post
                  A very clear voice, could be more informal. She was obviously reading from a script, and maybe because of that she was lowering her voice at the end of each sentence. Could learn from Petroc's delivery.
                  Hmm - I know Petroc is not one for the critics' displeasure, but I do find irksome the way he puts special emphasis on commonplaces that just don't call for it - almost like he's trying to get quarts out of pint pots, or special pleading on behalf of the listeners he now is expected to address. He never used to do this when introducing deeper stuff - he just spoke normally!

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                  • ardcarp
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11102

                    #10
                    On the subject of Ms Her, I thought her delivery of the script was very good. (I've no idea what her 'sets' mean.) Ming you, countless adults, old, young or of either sex could have done it just as well. So maybe she was being 'trialled' by the BBC.

                    On the subject of Albinoni, I thought the music played was well-chosen, displaying as it did his gift for a good melody. I was a bit surprised time was spent at the end of the programme playing 'that piece'. It has long been suspected that the 'fragments' it was based on had nothing to do with Albinoni. If they existed at all. And it was given an uber-Romantic rendidtion by the ECO. Lovelu, of course, but not quite EMS fodder.

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                    • Eine Alpensinfonie
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20570

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ardcarp View Post

                      On the subject of Albinoni, I thought the music played was well-chosen, displaying as it did his gift for a good melody. I was a bit surprised time was spent at the end of the programme playing 'that piece'. It has long been suspected that the 'fragments' it was based on had nothing to do with Albinoni. If they existed at all. And it was given an uber-Romantic rendition by the ECO. Lovelu, of course, but not quite EMS fodder.
                      Yes - if they existed at all. I'm as convinced by this as by Nessie and Mr Trump's rants. Who remembers Mozart's Adelaide Concerto?
                      Last edited by Eine Alpensinfonie; 07-06-21, 15:17.

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                      • AuntDaisy
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                        • Jun 2018
                        • 1635

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                        On the subject of Ms Her, I thought her delivery of the script was very good. (I've no idea what her 'sets' mean.) Ming you, countless adults, old, young or of either sex could have done it just as well. So maybe she was being 'trialled' by the BBC.

                        On the subject of Albinoni, I thought the music played was well-chosen, displaying as it did his gift for a good melody. I was a bit surprised time was spent at the end of the programme playing 'that piece'. It has long been suspected that the 'fragments' it was based on had nothing to do with Albinoni. If they existed at all. And it was given an uber-Romantic rendidtion by the ECO. Lovelu, of course, but not quite EMS fodder.
                        I agree with ardcap.

                        Bit disappointed that more recent research on the Adagio wasn't mentioned - an image of the "fragment" is apparently given in a 2007 thesis on Albinoni (I've not seen it & wouldn't know it from butter, but you'd hope someone at the BBC would).

                        Comparing the 2006 Lucie Skeaping Early Music Show to Ana Her's 2021 one.
                        • Lucie Skeaping had fewer pieces (7 vs. 12) and longer extracts.
                        • Ana Her had more opera pieces (which I enjoyed).
                        • LS got the Adagio out of the way at the start, AH finished / lingered on it.
                          (LS's Concerto for trumpet, 3 oboes, bassoon and strings was a much livelier choice for a final piece.)
                        • LS only played Albinioni* pieces, AH included Bach & Vivaldi (not sure about this).
                        • I preferred Lucie Skeaping's commentary (& she's also a more familiar voice.)

                        *Quibble if you must
                        Last edited by AuntDaisy; 07-06-21, 13:51.

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                        • ardcarp
                          Late member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 11102

                          #13
                          AH included Bach & Vivaldi (not sure about this).
                          I can understand the Bach (he knew of Albinoni and used some themes as fugue subjects) but Vivaldi? He seems to have been included because he was different from Albinoni. Weird.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30278

                            #14
                            Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                            On the subject of Ms Her, I thought her delivery of the script was very good. (I've no idea what her 'sets' mean.) Ming you, countless adults, old, young or of either sex could have done it just as well. So maybe she was being 'trialled' by the BBC.
                            Yes, I think this is a sign that more and more so-called 'classical' programmes have been downgraded to the point where someone with specialist knowledge is simply not required any longer. Ms Her's persona is again calculated to appeal to listeners of her age group with, perhaps, a rather stronger interest in pop than anything in the 'classical' range. I believe a 'set' is a live sequence of pop songs of the kind in which the performer specialises
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • AuntDaisy
                              Host
                              • Jun 2018
                              • 1635

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                              Yes - if they existed at all. I'm as convinced by this as by Nessie and Mr Trump's rants. Who remembers Mozart's Adelaide Concerto?
                              Sorry, I'd missed your post - poor Nessie being mentioned in such company.
                              The Adelaide debacle was new to me (I gave up on the diacritics, a grave mistake).

                              Some attributions can be fortuitous, e.g. Josquin &/or Bauldeweyn make a fascinating combination on this Tallis Scholars CD along with Peter Phillips' notes.
                              Josquin des Prés: Missa mater Patris & Noel Bauldeweyn: Missa Da pacem. Gimell: CDGIM052. Buy CD or download online. The Tallis Scholars, Peter Phillips


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