For Captain Sir Tom Moore R.I.P

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  • Pegleg
    Full Member
    • Apr 2012
    • 389

    For Captain Sir Tom Moore R.I.P

    Messe des Morts - Requiem by Jean Gilles
    Choir: Orlando Ensemble, Freiburg. Orchestra: La Cetra Baroque Orchestra, Basel. Conductor: Laurent Gendre.

    BBC Radio 3 MON Radio 3 in Concert @ https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000rx60 01.45.58

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    Gilles: Messe des morts - Capella Cracoviensis and Capriccio Stravagante - Early Music Festival https://youtu.be/RZzmUqS1TNk
  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30329

    #2
    What a sad irony, after such a life, to be struck down like this.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • ardcarp
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 11102

      #3
      Agreed, but he had a long life and it ended after a glorious fulfilment. I hope that is not 'offside' to say so.

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30329

        #4
        Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
        Agreed, but he had a long life and it ended after a glorious fulfilment. I hope that is not 'offside' to say so.
        I don't think so. There was an element of him being a 'media creation' but that isn't to detract from his achievement. But a particular irony in his having raised money for the NHS.
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Serial_Apologist
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 37710

          #5
          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          I don't think so. There was an element of him being a 'media creation' but that isn't to detract from his achievement. But a particular irony in his having raised money for the NHS.
          Well one might have thought Captn. Tom would have been the one person in the country to have been adequately shielded from getting the Coronavirus.

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          • oddoneout
            Full Member
            • Nov 2015
            • 9218

            #6
            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
            Well one might have thought Captn. Tom would have been the one person in the country to have been adequately shielded from getting the Coronavirus.
            Nothing is an absolute certainty. He was being looked after in the family home as I understand it, so it would have been difficult to eliminate risk altogether, however careful everyone is. Something I can't find out is whether he died of or with Covid? Several reports mention that he had been suffering from, and was being treated for pneumonia, for some time prior to his hospital admission.

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            • Cockney Sparrow
              Full Member
              • Jan 2014
              • 2287

              #7
              Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
              Well one might have thought Captn. Tom would have been the one person in the country to have been adequately shielded from getting the Coronavirus.
              He wanted to travel to Barbados and he and the family holidayed there in December. Its a consideration of risks facing many people. In his case - at age 100, how much longer would he be fit to travel? Would he rather have the risk of travelling and benefit of the holiday surrounded by family, with the prospects of risk of critical illness against the unknown probability of how much longer he would otherwise live with a quality of life he wanted.

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30329

                #8
                Originally posted by Cockney Sparrow View Post
                He wanted to travel to Barbados and he and the family holidayed there in December. Its a consideration of risks facing many people. In his case - at age 100, how much longer would he be fit to travel? Would he rather have the risk of travelling and benefit of the holiday surrounded by family, with the prospects of risk of critical illness against the unknown probability of how much longer he would otherwise live with a quality of life he wanted.
                I see he got a headline in the Washington Post today: "Forget superheroes and anti-heroes. We need more heroes like Capt. Sir Tom Moore." A sign of the times that this is how he became recognised.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • vinteuil
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 12846

                  #9
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                  ... I find it difficult to react to all this. He was obviously a good chap, well done him - but became such a media construct and now such a vector of national sentimentality ...

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                  • gradus
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 5612

                    #10
                    Would that I could claim an achievement remotely comparable to his. RIP Sir Tom.

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                    • Serial_Apologist
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37710

                      #11
                      Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
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                      ... I find it difficult to react to all this. He was obviously a good chap, well done him - but became such a media construct and now such a vector of national sentimentality ...

                      .
                      Indeed - one might think they were making us try to believe that such "British" character traits as his were only to be found in the indigenous population.

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30329

                        #12
                        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
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                        ... I find it difficult to react to all this. He was obviously a good chap, well done him - but became such a media construct and now such a vector of national sentimentality ...

                        .
                        S'what happens - I mentioned this earlier. Such sentimentality seems much more widely in evidence than it once was. Was it the Princess Di factor that unleashed it? Or just that it was always there but the media discovered it also sold papers? Seems a bit unfair, finally, on those who are canonised by the media. Here today, forgotten tomorrow.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • gradus
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 5612

                          #13
                          Originally posted by french frank View Post
                          S'what happens - I mentioned this earlier. Such sentimentality seems much more widely in evidence than it once was. Was it the Princess Di factor that unleashed it? Or just that it was always there but the media discovered it also sold papers? Seems a bit unfair, finally, on those who are canonised by the media. Here today, forgotten tomorrow.
                          £30 million for the NHS is quite a return on an investment in sentimentality.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30329

                            #14
                            Originally posted by gradus View Post
                            £30 million for the NHS is quite a return on an investment in sentimentality.
                            Yes, as I said, I don't wish to detract from his achievement or achievements which have received perhaps the ultimate accolade - a Wikipedia page.
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Stanfordian
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 9315

                              #15
                              Capt. Tom, such good example of helping others. I don't see his achievements as being sentimental just a good person putting others first.

                              R-I-P

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