The Western Wind: EMS 9 September

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  • doversoul1
    Ex Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 7132

    The Western Wind: EMS 9 September

    Hannah French explores the simple melody "The Western Wind" that inspired the early 16th Century masses by John Taverner, John Sheppard and Christopher Tye.
    Hannah French explores The Western Wind, a song that inspired many 16th-century masses.
  • BBMmk2
    Late Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 20908

    #2
    Ah, what a masterpiece that mass setting is!
    Don’t cry for me
    I go where music was born

    J S Bach 1685-1750

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    • ardcarp
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 11102

      #3
      Ah, what a masterpiece that mass setting is!
      I guess you mean the Taverner? The Shepherd is OK too, but not quite in the same league IMVHO.

      English Masses of this vintage don't usually set the Kyrie, I've often used the Orbis Factor plainsong Kyrie, which seems to fit well. The Western Wynde tune itself is a real ar-worm. Expect to be humming it for days if you listen in to this EMS!

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      • DracoM
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        • Mar 2007
        • 12973

        #4
        Originally posted by BBMmk2 View Post
        Ah, what a masterpiece that mass setting is!

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        • kernelbogey
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 5749

          #5
          I liked Hannah French as a presenter - she's new to me (I think).

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          • ardcarp
            Late member
            • Nov 2010
            • 11102

            #6
            The 'ear worm' I mentioned is the tune as used in all three masses, and as stated in HistoricalAnthology of Music Vol. 1 as THE Western Winde. The version played at the start of the programme (the 'authentic' one according to HF) seems to bear no relation to it. Undoubtedly scholarship has moved on. There were some great examples played, and I'm glad Hannah drew on a variety of choirs. Of the all-male groups, New College with Higginbottom seem to have it nailed. Big fan though I usually am of St John's, what were they up to in the Sheppard Credo? Singing a merry madrigal? Messing with the tempo? Although we can't know for certain, it is thought that the tactus or beat would have remained steady, at least within a movement.

            Anyway, it was a most enjoyable programme. I just love the pre-Ref English sound whoever sings it. Did we really need Stravinsky tho' ?

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            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
              Gone fishin'
              • Sep 2011
              • 30163

              #7
              We always need Stravinsky.
              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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              • Pulcinella
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                • Feb 2014
                • 10950

                #8
                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                We always need Stravinsky.

                (And I haven't even listened to the programme yet. Sounds like one I need to catch up on.)

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                • ardcarp
                  Late member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 11102

                  #9
                  No-one could be a bigger Stravinsky fan than I !!! It just jarred at the end of EMS. Love the Stravinsky Mass, BTW.

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                  • Pulcinella
                    Host
                    • Feb 2014
                    • 10950

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
                    No-one could be a bigger Stravinsky fan than I !!! It just jarred at the end of EMS. Love the Stravinsky Mass, BTW.
                    Me too!
                    But, if I'm honest, I don't really like the Westron Wind bit of the Cantata!
                    Last edited by Pulcinella; 09-09-18, 15:52. Reason: Rider added!

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                    • BBMmk2
                      Late Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 20908

                      #11
                      Just to nip pick here, shouldn’t it be The Western Wynde?
                      Don’t cry for me
                      I go where music was born

                      J S Bach 1685-1750

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                      • ardcarp
                        Late member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 11102

                        #12
                        ...or as Hannah would have it The Westron Wynde. I don't think spelling had settled down in those days! It annoys me that a local pub calls itself Ye Olde Poppe Inn (without an 'e' on Inn). Erm.....

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