Antonio Lucio Vivaldi

[Beef Oven!]

The repertoire isn't quite the same though... you know you want it really...

You're right, I should go ahead. All my dithering, I hope Qobuz have still got some left.

[MickyD]

It's in Michael Talbot's Vivaldi monograph, which is an interesting book for things like this but otherwise a bit limited, presumably for reasons of keeping its overall size down.

I seem to remember (way back in the 80s) a much larger and luxurious Vivaldi book by Michael Talbot. Or am I imagining it?

[Beef Oven!]

I seem to remember (way back in the 80s) a much larger and luxurious Vivaldi book by Michael Talbot. Or am I imagining it?

You just told us you are imagining it! Do you mean are your imaginations correct

[Richard Barrett]

I seem to remember (way back in the 80s) a much larger and luxurious Vivaldi book by Michael Talbot. Or am I imagining it?

Not sure - the one I have in mind is one of the OUP "Master Musicians" series, I think I picked it up remaindered somewhere.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I seem to remember (way back in the 80s) a much larger and luxurious Vivaldi book by Michael Talbot. Or am I imagining it?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vivaldi-Compendium-Michael-Talbot/dp/1843838192

... described here as a "2013 reprint"?

[MickyD]

No, it's none of those - it was, if you'll forgive me, a sort of coffee-table affair - but definitely by Michael Talbot. Maybe it was a more fully illustrated version of the ones mentioned here.

[Bryn]

No, it's none of those - it was, if you'll forgive me, a sort of coffee-table affair - but definitely by Michael Talbot. Maybe it was a more fully illustrated version of the ones mentioned here.

This, edited by Michael Talbot, perhaps?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

This, edited by Michael Talbot, perhaps?

Not "from back in the '80s", though.

The list of publications in Professor Talbot's CV does not suggest that he authored any book matching MickyD's description in the 1980s (the "Dent" publication from 1978 is the Master Musicians volume):

http://vivaldinew.homestead.com/files/TALBOT_PROF_MICHAEL_CV_.pdf

[LeMartinPecheur]

I've built up a fair old pile of Vivaldi discs over the last 40 yrs. When I saw a CD described as 'Late violin concertos' for not very much money I was sufficiently intrigued to buy, at the same time remarking to a friend that I wondered how late Vivaldi would match up to op106 or 131

Well, I think I see the point of the label, seems Vivaldi did get up to something different in his old age, develop a new style much less bothered about regularity, always being pleasant and never saying boo to a goose, more concerned to do something different and 'If I wanna say it I'll say it, if you don't like it you know what you can do'.

Or has the label on the tin made me hear something that isn't there???

This is the disc

[vinteuil]

I've built up a fair old pile of Vivaldi discs over the last 40 yrs. When I saw a CD described as 'Late violin concertos' for not very much money I was sufficiently intrigued to buy, at the same time remarking to a friend that I wondered how late Vivaldi would match up to op106 or 131

Well, I think I see the point of the label, seems Vivaldi did get up to something different in his old age, develop a new style much less bothered about regularity, always being pleasant and never saying boo to a goose, more concerned to do something different and 'If I wanna say it I'll say it, if you don't like it you know what you can do'.

Or has the label on the tin made me hear something that isn't there???

This is the disc

... I thought this was excellent, and a different Vivaldi from the one we thought we knew.

You might also like -

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00006JNAB

and

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00004T2PT

[Beef Oven!]

I think I've bought all the Giuliano Carmignola and Fabio Biondi CDs of the late Vivaldi concertos and I would agree with what's been said. I'd like to add a prompt for this Fabio Biondi CD which is utterly amazing, IMV.

[Richard Barrett]

You don't half like to fill up my screen, BeefO.

I have that CD but I haven't listened to it yet.

As for the "earlier" Vivaldi "never saying boo to a goose", I wouldn't agree. His L'Estro Armonico collection (published in 1711 but no doubt written over a longer period before that), for example, involves more variation in structure than most of the work that came later. Also there are his operas which are in many ways a lot less stereotyped in form and expression than the concertos. (And the concertos for cello and bassoon are often less "regular" than those for violin.) But indeed the "late" pieces are something else.

[Beef Oven!]

You don't half like to fill up my screen, BeefO.

I have that CD but I haven't listened to it yet.

As for the "earlier" Vivaldi "never saying boo to a goose", I wouldn't agree. His L'Estro Armonico collection (published in 1711 but no doubt written over a longer period before that), for example, involves more variation in structure than most of the work that came later. Also there are his operas which are in many ways a lot less stereotyped in form and expression than the concertos. (And the concertos for cello and bassoon are often less "regular" than those for violin.) But indeed the "late" pieces are something else.

I agree with what's been said about the Carmignola recordings, not the boo to a goose bit. I should have made that clear.

Opus 3 & Opus 8 rock like Led Zep I & II.

(it's a great cover, so it deserves to be big (resizing takes too long))

[MickyD]

Yes, I have all those Carmignola discs and they are so worth acquiring. These are excellent, too -

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vivaldi-Violin-Concertos-331-217/dp/B000EULVZE/ref=sr_1_5?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1461432956&sr=1-5&keywords=vivaldi+carmignola

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vivaldi-Concertos-Violins-Viktoria-Mullova/dp/B0019RQTUS/ref=sr_1_6?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1461432956&sr=1-6&keywords=vivaldi+carmignola

...as well as this mixed bag of Vivaldi, Locatelli and Tartini:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Concerto-Veneziano-Vivaldi/dp/B0007CEXAO/ref=sr_1_14?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1461432956&sr=1-14&keywords=vivaldi+carmignola

[Richard Barrett]

(resizing takes too long)

Not according to about 25 emails I receive every day.