John Sheppard: EMS 28 February

[jean]

'Celeb' is a pejorative term for people whose high profile is undeserved.

To use it for any musician who is well-known in their field for solid achievements is ridiculous.

They had David Wulstan on once - talking to CB.

My point exactly.

[DracoM]

She is also an expert, talking about what she knows. Isn't that the distinction? They had David Wulstan on once - talking to CB.

Yes, indeed.

My point was not truly about Sally D at all - as I am sure most discerning readers of these threads will know - but about the endemic R3 format that unless you have a 'name' on the 'show', the music alone is, bizarrely, not entirely reliable as a justification to give the prog identity and appeal.

I made it crystal clear that in her field Sally Dunkley IS admired. And, yes, I was very glad to hear Media Vita

[Richard Tarleton]

as I am sure most discerning readers of these threads will know

- but about the endemic R3 format that unless you have a 'name' on the 'show', the music alone is, bizarrely, not entirely reliable as a justification to give the prog identity and appeal.

Most discerning EMS listeners know that the format of having a specialist guest is well established. Holes, and digging, spring to mind, Draco. Is one of us having a bad day?

[jean]

You called SD a celeb, DracoM, which was foolish and inaccurate, not a good way of indicating admiration, and way off the mark unless you wanted to excoriate all interviews with practising musicians.

Now instead of all this furious back-pedalling, just apologise graciously to her, and to us discerning readers.

[french frank]

the music alone is, bizarrely, not entirely reliable as a justification to give the prog identity and appeal. [/I]

Not sure you've got that right, Draco: some programmes are entirely music, some have musically relevant speech content (like CotW). One thing I noted about Choir Works was the very distinguished 'guests' who if they are in their own field add a tremendous amount to the programme. It becomes a privilege to have the opportunity to hear them.

[Sir Velo]

[I]No-one knows for sure the birth-date of Tudor composer John Sheppard, but it is thought to have been around 600 years ago in 1515-16.

Unless we've all done a sleeping beauty, yet another example of supreme BBC sloppiness.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Oops. That slipped past me. Clearly I'm sloppy too.

Honestly!




Yup - me, too.

[jean]

And me.

[Miles Coverdale]

Unless we've all done a sleeping beauty, yet another example of supreme BBC sloppiness.

For heaven's sake, someone just made a mistake. You have, I imagine, made the occasional mistake yourself.

We have had an hour-long programme about a composer that 99.9% of the population will probably never have heard of, with a guest who knows her subject extremely well, and all certain people seem to want to do is moan about 'celeb' presenters and a typographical error. It really does get quite tiresome.

[Miles Coverdale]

And me.

Did you deliberately time that posting to be 15:15?

[Vox Humana]

BTW, English Mass settings of that time seldom had a Kyrie, so it is necessary to supply a plainsong one. (The Leroy Kyrie is useful.)

In England Kyrie settings and masses with Kyries were written to be sung at for the daily Lady Mass. At High Mass the Kyrie was sung in a troped form with varying texts that in effect made the Kyrie more like an item of the Proper rather than the Ordinary. That is why Tudor "festal" masses don't have a Kyrie. To link Taverner's Leroy Kyrie with a festal mass would be a liturgical faux-pas - but it could be coupled with one of the more modest Kyrie-less Masses like, say, Sheppard's Frences Mass. Incidentally, this doesn't apply to Byrd's Masses which were written for a different liturgy.

For heaven's sake, someone just made a mistake. You have, I imagine, made the occasional mistake yourself.

We have had an hour-long programme about a composer that 99.9% of the population will probably never have heard of, with a guest who knows her subject extremely well, and all certain people seem to want to do is moan about 'celeb' presenters and a typographical error. It really does get quite tiresome.

Quite. Great show. Enjoyed it very much, even though I already have all but one of the recordings. SD came over very much as a student of Wulstan's, although you would probably need to be a nerd like me to detect that. I didn't hear anything too contentious, although these days I would be cautious about shoehorning a commonly-used antiphon like Libera me into Magdalen College, where it was only said privately on waking and going to bed, not communally in chapel - so far as we know.

I do agree about the Stile Antico CD. Sublime stuff.

[DracoM]

This evening i.e. Mar 2nd @10 30 p.m., St Thomas Fifth Ave NYC will be singing live CE, including Sheppard's Libera Nos.

http://www.saintthomaschurch.org/calendar/events/worship/15578/choral-evensong