Early Music Proms

[doversoul1]

Some excitement is going on on the other Prom thread but where early music is concerned, it’s just plain dismal. One name that does not crop up often other than on TTN is Caldara, and that’s it. Tallis is fine but surely, he doesn’t need yet another Prom outing, and L’Orfeo. Does it have to be Sir John & Co. again? Couldn’t it have been an ensemble like La Venexiana for a change? And the two Handel works on CBBC Proms. Just forget it.

13:00 Monday 20 Jul
Tallis: Andrew Carwood & The Cardinal’s Music

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/embfxj

19:30 Tuesday 4 Aug
Monteverdi L’Orfeo: JEG &Co.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/e548gw

15:00 Saturday 8 Aug
Vivaldi, Caldara, Geminiani: B’Rock Baroque Orchestra Ghent and Mary-Ellen Nesi

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/ec9v2m

15:00 Saturday 15 Aug 2015
CPE Bach, Telemann, Vivaldi: Alina Ibragimova and Apollo’s Fire

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/ew6j5v

Forget these
Handel x 2 10 Pieces Proms x 2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/ej3zc8

[mercia]

do the Bach solo violin and solo cello proms count ? (+ Goldberg variations and a Bach organ prom that appears to last less than 30 minutes)

Prom 48 - AAM
Prom 65 - Handel

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

do the Bach solo violin and solo cello proms count ? (+ Goldberg variations and a Bach organ prom that appears to last less than 30 minutes)

Prom 48 - AAM

Quite "late" for "Early Music" (as dovers points out, very little pre-Baroque programmed) - and the Goldbergs played on Piano, YoYo Ma using his modern 'cello ...

[doversoul1]

I knew I’d missed something. Thanks!!

Bach Proms x 7

http://www.bbc.co.uk/proms/events/composers/56

22:15 Thursday 3 Sep
Alice Coote sings Handel

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/e2bfxj

This is not listed under Handel (i.e. I couldn’t see it).

Less dismal but quite honestly, I’d liked to have seen (heard) more of other Bachs.


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ferney
the Goldbergs played on Piano, YoYo Ma using his modern 'cello ..

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Oh …

[teamsaint]

Quite "late" for "Early Music" (as dovers points out, very little pre-Baroque programmed) - and the Goldbergs played on Piano, YoYo Ma using his modern 'cello ...

Maybe Yo Yo will play the old fashioned 1712 one, not the new fangled 1733 .

(A cello expert writes.....!!.)

Sorry, DS, didnt mean to divert your thread. Looks meagre fare from what you say, and JEG must know somebody or something.......

[doversoul1]

Prom 48: Late-night Bach
BBC Singers
Academy of Ancient Music
David Hill conductor

http://www.bbc.co.uk/events/e348gw

Can’t the AAM left to do their own thing? Or have they been called out to back the BBC Singers? Looks an odd combination to me.

ts
Yes, ‘meagre’ is the word. And mostly routine. Early Baroque (or any Baroque era for that matter) is an area where both new and established groups have been discovering a very long list of ‘new’ composers. The Proms would have been an ideal place to let people hear these works instead of all these familiar works.

[subcontrabass]

a Bach organ prom that appears to last less than 30 minutes)

The blurb for the event says that there will be more than just the 24 minutes of Bach listed: "French organist Thierry Escaich puts the Royal Albert Hall organ through its paces with a programme of works by Bach, Brahms, Mendelssohn – and some of his own compositions."

"puts the organ through its paces" -

[Roehre]

... ‘meagre’ is the word. And mostly routine. Early Baroque (or any Baroque era for that matter) is an area where both new and established groups have been discovering a very long list of ‘new’ composers. The Proms would have been an ideal place to let people hear these works instead of all these familiar works.

for me there is IMVHO apart from Tallis and Monteverdi no early music at all in these Proms.
Nothing from before the 17th century....
and if we want to count baroque as early (which I by definition don't), why no Heinichen e.g. with some Dresden concertos combined with Vivaldi's concerti per il orchestra di Dresda, to show that there is more than the big names and war horses around even in the baroque?

Where are the flemish polyphonists, or Palestrina, or Victoria e.g.?

[MickyD]

I couldn't agree more with these comments. Gone are the days when we could rely on the AAM to bring us unknown, neglected repertoire. The Bach Magnificat and a Brandenburg Concerto for the umpteenth time.

[Miles Coverdale]

YoYo Ma using his modern 'cello ...

Where does it say what instrument he'll be using? There may a practical reason not to use his Stradivarius cello. Often, these hugely valuable instruments are owned by some corporation or foundation, and are loaned out to players on the condition that they're only used in standard tuning, so (if that is the case), he'd have to have a second instrument for the Fifth Suite at least. See the sleeve note to Steven Isserlis's recording - he uses a different instrument for that suite.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Maybe Yo Yo will play the old fashioned 1712 one, not the new fangled 1733 .

You are, of course, quite correct - BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT!!!

[teamsaint]

You are, of course, quite correct - BUT YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT!!!

It'll be interesting to see anyway.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

It'll be interesting to see anyway.

Oh, yes - probably quite good to hear, too - and the two nights of the solo violin works, too. Not so sure about Schiff's Goldbergs, though, but that's because I've never taken to his Music-making, not because it's on Piano. (If it'd been Jeremy Denk, on t'other hand ... )

But the high-profiling of non-HIPP Baroque events in this year's season does further emphasize the low priority given to Early Music. (A similar neglect of contemporary Music, too - to wander off-thread a moment - nothing this year to have Barbi giving his spleen a good vent. The whole season looks dull, safe, forgettable - and utterly uninspiring.

[aeolium]

Yes, ‘meagre’ is the word. And mostly routine. Early Baroque (or any Baroque era for that matter) is an area where both new and established groups have been discovering a very long list of ‘new’ composers. The Proms would have been an ideal place to let people hear these works instead of all these familiar works.

I agree, though even the better-known composers don't fare that well (apart from JSB). AFAICS there is hardly any Handel, Corelli, Pergolesi or Rameau. Some of the less frequently played Handel cantatas, or Chandos anthems - rarely heard at the Proms - would have been good, as I think choral music works well in the RAH, much better than solo Bach.

[Vox Humana]

for me there is IMVHO apart from Tallis and Monteverdi no early music at all in these Proms.
Nothing from before the 17th century....
and if we want to count baroque as early (which I by definition don't), why no Heinichen e.g. with some Dresden concertos combined with Vivaldi's concerti per il orchestra di Dresda, to show that there is more than the big names and war horses around even in the baroque?

Where are the flemish polyphonists, or Palestrina, or Victoria e.g.?

Quite. Just one concert of music pre-1600. Pathetic.