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  • Lat-Literal
    Guest
    • Aug 2015
    • 6983

    Originally posted by Padraig View Post
    Ah, ferney, we're getting sentimental in our old age. I'm all for it. Spike could hit the spot.
    Yes - I agree re Milligan.

    Knowing the pub in the Strutton Ground market, Victoria, in its various forms for the best part of 30 years - it has been "Graftons" at least twice and even in its grottier makeovers it mostly retained key pictures of early showbiz types - I always picture Spike living at what was then Jimmy Grafton's place having to be coaxed when necessary to the studios between lengthy periods of not being able to face the world. He was a rare whimsical type, often gloriously madcap, who was much troubled by noise because of the war until his final years.

    I entirely comprehend that feeling, especially now, but I probably always did.

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    • Lat-Literal
      Guest
      • Aug 2015
      • 6983

      .........but most of these people in history were controversial, not that it was always apparent in their writing:

      Tarantella

      Do you remember an Inn,
      Miranda?
      Do you remember an Inn?
      And the tedding and the spreading
      Of the straw for a bedding,
      And the fleas that tease in the High Pyrenees,
      And the wine that tasted of tar?
      And the cheers and the jeers of the young muleteers
      (Under the vine of the dark verandah)?
      Do you remember an Inn, Miranda,
      Do you remember an Inn?
      And the cheers and the jeers of the young muleteers
      Who hadn’t got a penny,
      And who weren’t paying any,
      And the hammer at the doors and the Din?
      And the Hip! Hop! Hap!
      Of the clap
      Of the hands to the twirl and the swirl
      Of the girl gone chancing,
      Glancing,
      Dancing,
      Backing and advancing,
      Snapping of a clapper to the spin
      Out and in —
      And the Ting, Tong, Tang, of the Guitar.
      Do you remember an Inn,
      Miranda?
      Do you remember an Inn?
      Never more;
      Miranda,

      Never more.
      Only the high peaks hoar:
      And Aragon a torrent at the door.
      No sound
      In the walls of the Halls where falls
      The tread
      Of the feet of the dead to the ground
      No sound:
      But the boom
      Of the far Waterfall like Doom.

      Hilaire Belloc

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      • Padraig
        Full Member
        • Feb 2013
        • 4236

        Originally posted by Lat-Literal View Post
        No sound:
        But the boom
        Of the far Waterfall like Doom.

        Hilaire Belloc
        Yes, I remember that inn too.

        Here's another to think about.

        Meeting the British
        Paul Muldoon

        We met the British in the dead of winter.
        The sky was lavender

        and the snow lavender-blue.
        I could hear, far below,

        the sound of two streams coming together
        (both were frozen over)

        and, no less strange,
        myself calling out in French

        across that forest -
        clearing. Neither General Jeffrey Amherst

        nor Colonel Henry Bouquet
        could stomach our willow-tobacco.

        As for the unusual
        scent when the Colonel shook out his hand-

        kerchief: C'est la lavande,
        une fleur mauve comme le ciel.

        They gave us six fishhooks
        and two blankets embroidered with smallpox.

        from Meeting the British 1987


        Paul Muldoon is only the second poet from Northern Ireland to receive the prestigious award.

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          I didn't get it, Padraig, until I wiki-ed "General Jeffery Amherst" and found this:

          One of the most infamous and well documented issues during Pontiac's War was the use of biological warfare against the Native Americans. The suggestion was posed by Amherst himself in letters to Colonel Henry Bouquet.[20] Amherst, having learned that smallpox had broken out among the garrison at Fort Pitt, and after learning of the loss of his forts at Venango, Le Boeuf and Presqu'Isle, wrote to Colonel Bouquet:[21]

          Could it not be contrived to send the small pox among the disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them.
          Bouquet, who was already marching to relieve Fort Pitt, agreed with this suggestion in a postscript when he responded to Amherst just days later on 13 July 1763:[22]

          P.S. I will try to inocculate [sic] the Indians by means of Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself. As it is pity to oppose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniard's Method, and hunt them with English Dogs. Supported by Rangers, and some Light Horse, who would I think effectively extirpate or remove that Vermine.
          In response, also in a postscript, Amherst replied:[22]

          P.S. You will Do well to try to Innoculate [sic] the Indians by means of Blankets, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race. I should be very glad your Scheme for Hunting them Down by Dogs could take Effect, but England is at too great a Distance to think of that at present.
          Historians Elizabeth Fenn and Benedict Kiernan have shown, "Fort Pitt had anticipated these orders. Reporting on parleys with Delaware chiefs on June 24, a trader [William Trent] wrote: '[We] gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect.' The military hospital records confirm that two blankets and handkerchiefs were 'taken from people in the Hospital to Convey the Smallpox to the Indians.' The fort commander paid for these items, which he certified 'were had for the uses above mentioned.' Historian Elizabeth Fenn has documented 'the eruption of epidemic smallpox' among Delaware and Shawnee Indians nearby, about the time the blankets were distributed."
          ... a sickening moment (one of many) in British Colonial history that somehow never reached any of the History lessons I received at school - nor, before now, in any history article or documentary I'd ever encountered.
          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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          • Joseph K
            Banned
            • Oct 2017
            • 7765

            I like the Muldoon poem. I got the reference to smallpox... but then I do follow 'Crimes of Britain' on facebook. (Yanis Varoufakis also mentions it in his recent book about the history of capitalism.)

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            • johncorrigan
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 10358

              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
              I didn't get it, Padraig, until I wiki-ed "General Jeffery Amherst" and found this:



              ... a sickening moment (one of many) in British Colonial history that somehow never reached any of the History lessons I received at school - nor, before now, in any history article or documentary I'd ever encountered.
              Shocking, ferney...thanks for information; and thanks for posting the poem, Padraig.

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              • Joseph K
                Banned
                • Oct 2017
                • 7765

                What if the form subverts the poet’s description?
                In verse I like to have some kind of structure,
                it’s true I like to work within prescription,
                ensure the rhythmic system doesn’t butcher
                the syntax and make sure the rhyme-scheme’s demands
                do not dictate sense, so the poem flows
                and every syllable correctly lands
                where it should, so it doesn’t sound like prose.
                How far is it between what I perceive
                and what is said? In verse I like to dabble
                and find the distance from what I conceive
                and what’s written is well... might turn out babble!
                Oh, through these forms I’ll often try to squeeze
                my thoughts – it’s not a task of any ease.

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                • Joseph K
                  Banned
                  • Oct 2017
                  • 7765

                  Spring: a Petrarchan Sonnet

                  The beauty manifest in verdant meads
                  envelops all, absorbing, feeding glee -
                  a jouissance now suffuses all and me.
                  Assuaging winter's bleakness, hope now heeds,
                  begetting easement, actualising pleads.
                  The fulgent splendour vivifying, we
                  imbue ourselves renewal with the sea,
                  our weather leaves us free fulfilling needs.
                  Alas, fugacious feels this heavèd bliss -
                  anon will flowers cease to grow and bloom.
                  Portentous fear of hateful abject hours -
                  tenebrous days indoors, a thought amiss.
                  Suspire - the air is seen besides the gloom -
                  I rue, for stopping cold I have no powers.


                  Downhill: a Triolet

                  It’s possible to travel further down-
                  hill, go to lows unknown from where you are.
                  Forget today, its frail and quondam frown –
                  it’s possible to travel further down.
                  I’ve long outstayed my welcome, travelled far
                  to new nadirs on a chthonic car.
                  It’s possible to travel further down-
                  hill, go to lows unknown from where you are.

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                  • Padraig
                    Full Member
                    • Feb 2013
                    • 4236

                    Clerihew for J.K.

                    Joseph K
                    Is cooking with gas today;
                    Metres that would reduce to tears a strong man
                    Are regimented with ease into serried ranks that scan.

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                    • Joseph K
                      Banned
                      • Oct 2017
                      • 7765

                      Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                      Clerihew for J.K.

                      Joseph K
                      Is cooking with gas today;
                      Metres that would reduce to tears a strong man
                      Are regimented with ease into serried ranks that scan.


                      Thanks.

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                      • Beef Oven!
                        Ex-member
                        • Sep 2013
                        • 18147

                        Fatty and skinny went up in a rocket .....
                        Fatty came down with shit in his pocket.

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                        • Joseph K
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2017
                          • 7765

                          Originally posted by Beef Oven! View Post
                          Fatty and skinny went up in a rocket .....
                          Fatty came down with shit in his pocket.


                          lol

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                          • Joseph K
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2017
                            • 7765

                            February

                            Slowly the sun encroaches after sleeping
                            through winter’s withering as spring returns,
                            we become aware of the measured creeping
                            of light – a recrudescent morn relearns
                            to cease our slumber. The yawn of February straddles
                            the seasons - dainty birds emit a cheeping
                            against the frost that winter, as it straggles
                            spring, brings; through tart cold spring begins its seeping
                            of green fighting from gelid trees, revived
                            and waiting to be seen. Colour recovers
                            its presence and counterpoints with snow deprived
                            of mid-winter’s strength where it dominates and smothers.
                            While Albion’s erratic weather might
                            belie its season, there’s still the burgeoning light.
                            Last edited by Joseph K; 06-02-18, 21:37.

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                            • Joseph K
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2017
                              • 7765

                              Smoking (part 2)

                              Oh, wouldn’t it be nice to have a fag –
                              I do believe I need a tasty smoke.
                              I’ll savour all the toxic fumes as I drag
                              the coffin nail and meditatively toke.
                              I don't wish to get particularly wiggy –
                              I realise that it disgusts some folk.
                              It has a lot to answer for, the ciggy –
                              this you cannot deny, and cancer’s no joke,
                              of course. It may look cool but it’s neither big
                              nor clever, taking risks like this, inhaling
                              tobacco smoke. But I love the humble cig
                              if truth be told – it might result in my ailing –
                              this I accept. A practice I’ll regret
                              in time – for now here’s to the cigarette.

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                              • greenilex
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 1626

                                How about this from March forty years ago:

                                Strange how Spring devours the hemispheres
                                And inch by roaring inch puts paid to dark;
                                Strange how the dawn which broke so near to tears
                                And wished the nightingale was but the lark
                                Washes the sky for flowers that still will come.
                                Silently, stealthily, like the Assyrian king
                                In purple, gold and crimson
                                Rides every tiny thing
                                With cohorts of cabbages
                                Spikes of pale asphodel
                                And little flags of harebell
                                Nodding in a ring.

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