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  • Padraig
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    • Feb 2013
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    "We Say We Shall Not Meet"

    We say we shall not meet
    Again beneath this sky,
    And turn with leaden feet,
    Murmuring "Good-bye!"

    But laugh at how we rued
    Our former time's adieu
    When those who went for good
    Are met anew.

    We talk in lightest vein
    On trifles talked before,
    And part to meet again,
    But meet no more.

    From Winter Words his last volume
    Last edited by Padraig; 09-08-17, 10:10.

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    • johncorrigan
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      • Nov 2010
      • 10409

      I heard the young Zambian British poet, Kayo Chingonyi , at the weekend and was impressed by what I heard. Here's a poem of his from some time back with music and dance very much at the heart.

      Some Bright Elegance

      …and all his words ran out of it: that there
      was some bright elegance the sad meat
      of the body made

      ‘The Dance’, Amiri Baraka


      For the screwfaced in good shoes that paper
      the walls of dance halls, I have little patience.
      I say dance not to be seen but free, your feet
      are made for better things, feel the bitterness
      in your lift as it did for a six-year-old Bojangles
      tapping a living out of beer garden patios to
      the delight of a crowd that wasn’t lynching
      today but laughing at the quickness of the kid.

      Throw yourself into the thick, emerging pure
      reduced to flesh and bone, nerve and sinew.
      Your folded arms understand music. Channel
      a packed Savoy Ballroom and slide across
      the dusty floor as your zoot-suited, twenties
      self, the feather in your hat from an ostrich,
      the swagger in your step from the ochre dust
      of a West African village. Dance for the times

      you’ve been stalked by store detectives
      for a lady on a bus, for the look of disgust
      on the face of a boy too young to understand
      why he hates but only that he must. Dance
      for Sammy, dead and penniless, and for the
      thousands still scraping a buck as street corner
      hoofers who, though they dance for their food,
      move as if it is only them, and the drums, talking.

      Kayo Chingonyi 2011

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      • Padraig
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        • Feb 2013
        • 4250

        Thomas Hardy - he does bitterness too.
        Last edited by Padraig; 09-08-17, 10:12.

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        • Padraig
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          • Feb 2013
          • 4250

          Originally posted by Padraig View Post
          I'm still reading Thomas Hardy - he does bitterness too.
          ...but no bitterness here:

          The Spring Call

          Down Wessex way, when spring's a-shine,
          The blackbird's "pret-ty de-urr!"
          In Wessex accents marked as mine
          Is heard afar and near.

          He flutes it strong, as if in song
          No Rs of feebler tone
          Than his appear in "pretty dear",
          Have blackbirds ever known.

          Yet they pipe "prattie deerh" I glean
          Beneath a Scottish sky,
          And "pehty dee-aw" amid the treen
          Of Middlesex or nigh.

          While some folks say - perhaps in play -
          Who know the Irish isle,
          'Tis "purrity dare" in treeland there
          When songsters would beguile.

          Well: I'll say what the listening birds
          Say, hearing "pret-ty de-urr!" -
          However strangers sound such words,
          That's how we sound them here.

          Yes, in this clime at pairing time,
          As soon as eyes can see her
          At dawn of day, the proper way
          To call is " pret-ty de-urr!"

          from Time's Laughingstocks 1909

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          • vinteuil
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            • Nov 2010
            • 12936

            .

            Spend the years of learning squandering
            Courage for the years of wandering
            Through a world politely turning
            From the loutishness of learning.

            January 1932

            ....


            ....

            Up he went & in he passed
            & down he came with such endeavour
            As he shall rue until at last
            He rematriculate for ever

            May 1934



            ....

            Samuel Beckett [1906 - 1989]


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            Last edited by vinteuil; 06-07-17, 12:20.

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            • vinteuil
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              • Nov 2010
              • 12936

              Toads


              Why should I let the toad work
              Squat on my life?
              Can't I use my wit as a pitchfork
              and drive the brute off?

              Six days of the week it soils
              With its sickening poison-
              Just for paying a few bills!
              That's out of proportion.

              Lots of folk live on their wits:
              Lecturers, lispers,
              Losels, loblolly-men, louts-
              They don't end as paupers;

              Lots of folk live up lanes
              With fires in a bucket,
              Eat windfalls and tinned sardines-
              They seem to like it.

              Their nippers have got bare feet,
              Their unspeakable wives
              Are skinny as whippets-and yet
              No one actually starves.

              Ah, were I courageous enough
              To shout Stuff your pension!
              But I know, all too well, that's the stuff
              That dreams are made on:

              For something sufficiently toad-like
              Squats in me, too;
              Its hunkers are heavy as hard luck,
              And cold as snow,

              And will never allow me to blarney
              My way to getting
              The fame and the girl and the money
              All at one sitting.

              I don't say, one bodies the other
              One's spiritual truth;
              But I do say it's hard to lose either,
              When you have both.

              Philip Larkin [1922-1985]

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              • vinteuil
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                • Nov 2010
                • 12936

                Toads Revisited


                Walking around in the park
                Should feel better than work:
                The lake, the sunshine,
                The grass to lie on,

                Blurred playground noises
                Beyond black-stockinged nurses -
                Not a bad place to be.
                Yet it doesn't suit me.

                Being one of the men
                You meet of an afternoon:
                Palsied old step-takers,
                Hare-eyed clerks with the jitters,

                Waxed-fleshed out-patients
                Still vague from accidents,
                And characters in long coats
                Deep in the litter-baskets -

                All dodging the toad work
                By being stupid or weak.
                Think of being them!
                Hearing the hours chime,

                Watching the bread delivered,
                The sun by clouds covered,
                The children going home;
                Think of being them,

                Turning over their failures
                By some bed of lobelias,
                Nowhere to go but indoors,
                Nor friends but empty chairs -

                No, give me my in-tray,
                My loaf-haired secretary,
                My shall-I-keep-the-call-in-Sir:
                What else can I answer,

                When the lights come on at four
                At the end of another year?
                Give me your arm, old toad;
                Help me down Cemetery Road.


                Philip Larkin [1922-1985]

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                • Padraig
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                  • Feb 2013
                  • 4250

                  Two Thrushes: Poems by Thomas Hardy 1840 - 1928

                  The Caged Thrush Freed And Home Again


                  (Villanelle)

                  "Men know but little more than we,
                  Who count as least of things terrene,
                  How happy days are made to be!

                  " Of such tidings what think ye,
                  O birds in brown that peck and preen?
                  Men know but little more than we!

                  "When I was borne from yonder tree
                  In bonds to them, I hoped to glean
                  How happy days are made to be,

                  "And want and wailing turned to glee;
                  Alas, despite their mighty mien
                  Men know but little more than we!

                  "They cannot change the Frost's decree,
                  They cannot keep the skies serene;
                  How happy days are made to be

                  "Eludes great Man's sagacity
                  No less than ours, O tribes in treen!
                  Men know but little more than we
                  How happy days are made to be."

                  from Poems of the Past and Present 1901


                  The Reminder

                  While I watch the Christmas blaze
                  Paint the room with ruddy rays,
                  Something makes my vision glide
                  To the frosty scene outside.

                  There, to reach a rotting berry,
                  Toils a thrush - constrained to very
                  Dregs of food by sharp distress,
                  Taking such with thankfulness.

                  Why, O starving bird, when I
                  One day's joy would justify,
                  And put misery out of view,
                  Do you make me notice you!

                  from Time's Laughingstocks 1909

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                  • Padraig
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                    • Feb 2013
                    • 4250

                    Written by one of the last of the Gaelic poets, after the Treaty of Limerick was broken in 1691.

                    Last Lines

                    I shall not call for help until they coffin me -
                    What good for me to call when hope of help is gone?
                    Princes of Munster who would have heard my cry
                    Would not rise from the dead because I am alone.

                    Mind shudders like a wave in this tempestuous mood,
                    My bowels and my heart are pierced and filled with pain
                    To see our lands, our hills, our gentle neighbourhood,
                    A plot where any English upstart stakes his claim.

                    The Shannon and the Liffey and the tuneful Lee,
                    The Boyne and the Blackwater a sad music sing,
                    The waters of the west run red into the sea -
                    No matter what be trumps, their knave will beat our king.

                    And I can never cease weeping these useless tears;
                    I am a man oppressed, afflicted and undone
                    Who where he wanders mourning no companion hears
                    Only some waterfall that has no cause to mourn.

                    Now I shall cease, death comes, and I must not delay
                    By Laune and Laine and Lee, diminished of their pride,
                    I shall go after the heroes, ay, into the clay -
                    My fathers followed theirs before Christ was crucified.

                    Egan ORahilly 1670 - 1726

                    Translated by Frank OConnor

                    (The Penguin Book of Irish Verse, 1970)

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                    • johncorrigan
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 10409

                      Very moving, Padraig; indeed the penultimate verse was heart wrenching.

                      The youthful Miss C and I had an evening out in Edinburgh last night and went to see Russian-born American singer Regina Spektor, whose family emigrated from the USSR in the 80s. She started the show with that anger that you get from some Americans regarding the present administration, but then recited the poem by Emma Lazarus, 'The New Collossus' ,that was added to the Statue of Liberty in the early 1900s and I found it very moving.

                      The New Colossus

                      Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
                      With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
                      Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
                      A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
                      Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
                      Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
                      Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
                      The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
                      "Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
                      With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
                      Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
                      The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
                      Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
                      I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

                      Emma Lazarus

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                      • gurnemanz
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                        • Nov 2010
                        • 7405

                        We went to see the new play "Looking at Lucian", a one-hander about Lucian Freud, at the Ustinov Theatre, Bath, last night. Henry Goodman delivers a powerful and riveting performance during which for most of the time he fixes his steely gaze on us, his audience, standing in for the model he is painting. We in turn stare back at him. At one point he turns to us, almost chillingly, and recalls the potency of Auden's line:

                        "All we are not stares back at what we are.”

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                        • johncorrigan
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 10409

                          Last weekend on Danny Baker's Saturday morning show a listener phoned in saying that her Gran had always told her to crush their eggshells as otherwise witches would sail them out to sea where the witches would cast spells to create storms which would shipwreck mariners. Baker said he'd never heard of it, but other listeners then phoned and e-mailed in with their versions of the superstition. Today he had been sent a poem about it.

                          Eggshells by Elizabeth Fleming (1934)

                          Oh, never leave your egg-shells unbroken in the cup;
                          Think of us poor sailor-men and always smash them up,
                          For witches come and find them and sail away to sea,
                          And make a lot of misery for mariners like me.

                          They take them to the sea-shore and set them on the tide -
                          A broom-stick for a paddle is all they have to guide
                          And off they go to China or round the ports of Spain,
                          To try and keep our sailing ships from coming home again.

                          They call up all the tempests from Davy Jones’s store,
                          And blow us into waters where we haven’t been before;
                          And when the masts are falling in splinters on the wrecks,
                          The witches climb the rigging and dance upon the decks.

                          So never leave your egg-shells unbroken in the cup;
                          Think of us poor sailor-men and always smash them up;
                          For witches come and find them and sail away to sea,
                          And make a lot of misery for mariners like me.

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                          • Padraig
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                            • Feb 2013
                            • 4250

                            I used to think that The Old Woman of Beare was yet another lament for Old Ireland. Instead it's a lament for lost youth and I'll drink to that.

                            May I count this as an 'Irish Friday'?

                            The Old Woman of Beare

                            The sea crawls from the shore
                            Leaving there
                            The despicable weed,
                            A corpse's hair.
                            In me,
                            The desolate withdrawing sea.

                            The Old Woman of Beare am I
                            Who once was beautiful.
                            Now all I know is how to die,
                            I'll do it well.

                            Look at my skin
                            Stretched tight on the bone,
                            Where kings have pressed their lips,
                            The pain, the pain.

                            I don't hate the men
                            Who swore the truth was in their lies.
                            One thing alone I hate -
                            Women's eyes.

                            The young sun
                            Gives its youth to everyone,
                            Touching everything with gold.
                            In me, the cold.

                            The cold. Yet still a seed
                            Burns there.
                            Women love only money now.
                            But when
                            I loved, I loved
                            Young men.

                            Young men whose horses galloped
                            On many an open plain
                            Beating lightning from the ground.
                            I loved such men.

                            And still the sea
                            Rears and plunges into me,
                            Shoving, rolling through my head
                            Images of the drifting dead.

                            A soldier cries
                            Pitifully about his plight;
                            A king fades
                            Into the shivering night.

                            Does not every season prove
                            That the acorn hits the ground?
                            Have I not known enough of love
                            To know it's lost as soon as found?

                            I drank my fill of wine with kings,
                            Their eyes fixed on my hair.
                            Now among the stinking hags
                            I chew the cud of prayer.

                            Time was the sea
                            Brought kings as slaves to me.
                            Now I near the face of God
                            And the crab crawls through my blood.

                            I loved the wine
                            That thrilled me to my fingertips;
                            Now the mean wind
                            Stitches salt into my lips.

                            The coward sea
                            Slouches away from me.
                            Fear brings back the tide
                            That made me stretch at the side
                            Of him who'd take me briefly for his bride.

                            The sea grows smaller, smaller now.
                            Farther, farther it goes
                            Leaving me here where the foam dries
                            On the deserted land,
                            Dry as my shrunken thighs,
                            As the tongue that presses my lips,
                            As the veins that break through my hands.

                            Anon 10th ? century Translated by Brendan Kennelly
                            Last edited by Padraig; 19-08-17, 15:23.

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                            • Padraig
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                              • Feb 2013
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                              Heard in many a song recital.

                              The Lark in the Clear Air.

                              Dear thoughts are in my mind
                              And my soul soars enchanted,
                              As I hear the sweet lark sing
                              In the clear air of the day.
                              For a tender beaming smile
                              To my hope has been granted,
                              And tomorrow she shall hear
                              All my fond heart would say.

                              I shall tell her all my love,
                              All my soul's adoration;
                              And I think she will hear me
                              And will not say me nay.
                              It is this that fills my soul
                              With its joyous elation,
                              As I hear the sweet lark sing
                              In the clear air of the day.

                              Samuel Ferguson 1810 - 1886

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                              • teamsaint
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 25225

                                “What is the price of Experience? Do men buy it for a song?
                                Or wisdom for a dance in the street? No, it is bought with the price
                                Of all that a man hath, his house, his wife, his children
                                Wisdom is sold in the desolate market where none come to buy
                                And in the wither'd field where the farmer ploughs for bread in vain

                                It is an easy thing to triumph in the summer's sun
                                And in the vintage and to sing on the waggon loaded with corn
                                It is an easy thing to talk of patience to the afflicted
                                To speak the laws of prudence to the homeless wanderer
                                To listen to the hungry raven's cry in wintry season
                                When the red blood is fill'd with wine and with the marrow of lambs

                                It is an easy thing to laugh at wrathful elements
                                To hear the dog howl at the wintry door, the ox in the slaughterhouse moan;
                                To see a god on every wind and a blessing on every blast
                                To hear sounds of love in the thunderstorm that destroys our enemies' house;
                                To rejoice in the blight that covers his field and the sickness that cuts off his children
                                While our olive and vine sing and laugh round our door and our children bring fruits and flowers

                                Then the groan and the dolour are quite forgotten and the slave grinding at the mill
                                And the captive in chains and the poor in the prison and the soldier in the field
                                When the shatter'd bone hath laid him groaning among the happier dead
                                It is an easy thing to rejoice in the tents of prosperity:
                                Thus could I sing and thus rejoice: but it is not so with me.

                                William Blake.
                                I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                                I am not a number, I am a free man.

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