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  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    #31
    A furious poem:

    My Mother: Freida Hughes

    They are killing her again.
    She said she did it
    One year in every ten,
    But they do it annually, or weekly,
    Some even do it daily,
    Carrying her death around in their heads
    And practising it. She saves them
    The trouble of their own;
    They can die through her
    Without ever making
    The decision. My buried mother
    Is up-dug for repeat performances.


    Now they want to make a film
    For anyone lacking the ability
    To imagine the body, head in oven,
    Orphaning children. Then
    It can be rewound
    So they can watch her die
    Right from the beginning again.

    The peanut eaters, entertained
    At my mother’s death, will go home,
    Each carrying their memory of her,
    Lifeless – a souvenir.
    Maybe they’ll buy the video.

    Watching someone on TV
    Means all they have to do
    Is press ‘pause’
    If they want to boil a kettle,
    While my mother holds her breath on screen
    To finish dying after tea.
    The filmmakers have collected
    The body parts,
    They want me to see.
    They require dressings to cover the joins
    And disguise the prosthetics
    In their remake of my mother;
    They want to use her poetry
    As stitching and sutures
    To give it credibility.
    They think I should love it –
    Having her back again, they think
    I should give them my mother’s words
    To fill the mouth of their monster,
    Their Sylvia Suicide Doll,
    Who will walk and talk
    And die at will,
    And die, and die
    And forever be dying.
    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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    • johncorrigan
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 10358

      #32
      Blimey!
      Last edited by johncorrigan; 12-01-14, 20:01. Reason: pardon the rather unpoetical response!

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        #33
        Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
        Blimey!
        Quite! Freida Hughes is Sylvia Plath's daughter and the poem was written in response both to the "Plath Suicide" obssessives and, more particularly, to the Gwynneth Paltrow film about Plath and Ted Hughes. In some ways, the passion makes the artistry trip a couple of times (in ways that neither of her parents' ever did) - "peanut eaters" is particularly poor, I feel (do cinema-goers eat peanuts? Is "peanut eater" effective as an insult? Doesn't the inadequacy of the bathetic "eater" lessen the impact that she wants to make?) but the intensity of that passion overall - well, "blimey!", as you say.
        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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        • johncorrigan
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 10358

          #34
          Out on the edge people wander the beaches and have done for ever. In his sparse careful language George Mackay Brown brings to life a really ancient time that has happened within my lifetime.

          Beachcomber

          Monday I found a boot –
          Rust and salt leather.
          I gave it back to the sea, to dance in.

          Tuesday a spar of timber worth thirty bob.
          Next winter
          It will be a chair, a coffin, a bed.

          Wednesday a half can of Swedish spirits.
          I tilted my head.
          The shore was cold with mermaids and angels.

          Thursday I got nothing, seaweed,
          A whale bone,
          Wet feet and a loud cough.

          Friday I held a seaman’s skull,
          Sand spilling from it
          The way time is told on kirkyard stones.

          Saturday a barrel of sodden oranges.
          A Spanish ship
          Was wrecked last month at The Kame.

          Sunday, for fear of the elders,
          I sit on my bum.
          What’s heaven? A sea chest with a thousand gold coins.

          .

          George Mackay Brown

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          • Padraig
            Full Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 4236

            #35
            See your George Mackay Brown, a Sheáin, and a Patrick Kavanagh sonnet at you.

            Epic

            I have lived in important places, times
            When great events were decided: who owned
            That half a rood of rock, a no-man's land
            Surrounded by our pitchfork-armed claims.
            I heard the Duffys shouting 'Damn your soul'
            And old McCabe stripped to the waist, seen
            Step the plot defying blue cast-steel -
            'Here is the march along these iron stones'.
            That was the year of the Munich bother. Which
            Was most important? I inclined
            To lose my faith in Ballyrush and Gortin
            Till Homer's ghost came whispering to my mind
            He said: I made the Iliad from such
            A local row. Gods make their own importance.
            Last edited by Padraig; 18-01-14, 16:55.

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            • Karafan
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 786

              #36
              From A.E. Housman's 'A Shropshire Lad'.


              INTO my heart on air that kills
              From yon far country blows:
              What are those blue remembered hills,
              What spires, what farms are those?

              That is the land of lost content,
              I see it shining plain,
              The happy highways where I went
              And cannot come again.
              "Let me have my own way in exactly everything, and a sunnier and more pleasant creature does not exist." Thomas Carlyle

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              • vinteuil
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 12815

                #37
                ... I enjoy this single-sentence tour de force

                OUT OF THE FRYING PAN INTO THE FIRE

                I dreamt one night — it was a horrid dream —
                That I was dead, and made was the division
                Between the innocent flesh and guilty spirit,
                And that the former, with a white sheet wrapt round
                And nailed up in a box, was to the bottom
                Sunk of a deep and narrow pit, which straight
                Was filled to overheaping with a mixture
                Of damp clay, rotting flesh and mouldering bones,
                And lidded with a weighty stone whereon
                Was writ my name and on what days precise
                I first and last drew breath; while up the latter
                Flew, without help of wings or fins or members,
                By its mere lightness, through the air, to heaven;
                And there being placed before the judgment-seat
                Of its Maker, and most unsatisfactory
                Answer returning to the question: — "Wherefore
                Wast thou as I made thee?" was sent down
                Tumbling by its own weight, down down to Hell,
                To sink or swim or wade as best it might,
                In sulphurous fires unquenchable for ever,
                With Socrates and Plato, Aristides
                Falsely surnamed the just, and Zoroaster,
                Titus the good, and Cato and divine
                Homer and Virgil, and so many millions
                And millions more of wrongfully called good
                And wise and virtuous , that for want of sulphur
                And fire and snakes and instruments of torture
                And room in Hell, the Universal Maker
                Was by his own inherent justice forced,
                That guilt might not go scot-free and unpunished,
                To set apart so large a share of Heaven
                For penal colonies and jails and treadmills,
                That mutinies for want of flying-space
                Began t' arise among the cherubim
                And blessed spirits, and a Proclamation
                Of Martial Law in Heaven was just being read
                When, in a sweat of agony and fear,
                I woke, and found myself in Germany,
                In the close prison of a German bed,
                And at my bedside Mr Oberkellner
                With printed list of questions in his hand:
                My name and age and birthplace and religion,
                Trade or profession, wherefore I had come,
                How long to stay, whither next bound, and so forth;
                All at my peril to be truly answered,
                And upon each a sixpence to the State,
                Which duly paid I should obtain permission
                To stay where I was so long as the State pleased,
                Without being prosecuted as a felon,
                Spy, or disturber of the public peace.

                Trompeter-Schlosschen, Dresden, April 15, 1854.

                James Henry [1798-1876]

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #38
                  Johncorrigan's gift of the superb Mackay Brown poem reminded me of his fellow Orkadean (is that the correct spelling? Looks more like something from Whales!) Edwin Muir, of whom TS Eliot once wrote " ... I must admit that, in my youth, I gave very little heed to Muir's poetry.; it was not of the kind that I was trying to write myself, and it was not until after my own lines of development were well established that it began to appeal to me. A young poet is apt to be indifferent to the work of a contemporary who is following a different path from his own. But when I came to study the 'Collected Poems' ... I was struck, as I had not been before, by the power of his work. // Under the pressure of emotional intensity, and possessed by his vision, he found, almost unconsciously, the right, the inevitable way of saying what he had to say.

                  Orpheus' Dream

                  And there she was. The little boat
                  Coasting the perilous isles of sleep
                  Zones of oblivion and despair,
                  Stopped, for Eurydice was there.
                  The foundering skiff could scarcely keep
                  All that felicity afloat.

                  As if we had left earth's frontier wood
                  Long since, and from this sea had won
                  The lost original of the soul,
                  The moment gave us pure and whole
                  Each back to each, and swept us on
                  Past every choice to boundless good.

                  Forgiveness, truth, atonement, all
                  Our love at once -- till we could dare
                  At last to turn our heads and see
                  The poor ghost of Eurydice
                  Still sitting in her silver chair,
                  Alone in Hades' empty hall.
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30283

                    #39
                    Famous French pome (I was unaware of its use by the BBC to signal the imminence of D-Day):

                    Les sanglots longs
                    Des violons
                    De l’automne
                    Blessent mon cœur
                    D’une langueur
                    Monotone.

                    Tout suffocant
                    Et blême, quand
                    Sonne l'heure,
                    Je me souviens
                    Des jours anciens
                    Et je pleure.

                    Et je m'en vais
                    Au vent mauvais
                    Qui m'emporte
                    Deçà, delà,
                    Pareil à la
                    Feuille morte.
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • Beresford
                      Full Member
                      • Apr 2012
                      • 555

                      #40
                      What does "meopine" mean? It's not in my dictionary.

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30283

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Beresford View Post
                        What does "meopine" mean? It's not in my dictionary.
                        Cf 'methinks'? At a guess?
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • Padraig
                          Full Member
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 4236

                          #42
                          Originally posted by french frank View Post
                          Famous French pome
                          Très triste, ff.

                          Ici un autre 'pome'

                          Tilly

                          He travels after a winter sun,
                          Urging the cattle along a cold red road,
                          Calling to them, a voice they know,
                          He drives his beasts above Cabra.

                          The voice tells them home is warm.
                          They moo and make brute music with their hoofs.
                          He drives them with a flowering branch before him,
                          Smoke pluming their foreheads.

                          Boor, bond of the herd,
                          Tonight stretch full by the fire!
                          I bleed by the black stream
                          For my torn bough.

                          James Joyce from Pomes Penyeach

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                          • Globaltruth
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 4289

                            #43
                            In my Craft or Sullen Art

                            In my craft or sullen art
                            Exercised in the still night
                            When only the moon rages
                            And the lovers lie abed
                            With all their griefs in their arms,
                            I labour by singing light
                            Not for ambition or bread
                            Or the strut and trade of charms
                            On the ivory stages
                            But for the common wages
                            Of their most secret heart.

                            Not for the proud man apart
                            From the raging moon I write
                            On these spindrift pages
                            Nor for the towering dead
                            With their nightingales and psalms
                            But for the lovers, their arms
                            Round the griefs of the ages,
                            Who pay no praise or wages
                            Nor heed my craft or art

                            - Dylan Thomas.

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                            • johncorrigan
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 10358

                              #44
                              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                              At last to turn our heads and see
                              The poor ghost of Eurydice
                              Still sitting in her silver chair,
                              Alone in Hades' empty hall.[/SIZE][/FONT]
                              I'm no classicist ferney and always thought of the story from poor Orpheus' viewpoint - never thought of poor Euridyce - she had been airbrushed out of the future. Maybe it takes the Orcadian in Muir to talk of what is left behind. Haunting poem.

                              Global's Dylan Thomas poem brought another of Mackay Brown's poems to mind, if only because I read it the other night. Thought you might like it.

                              The Poet

                              Therefore he no more troubled the pool of silence
                              But put on mask and cloak,
                              Strung a guitar
                              And moved among the folk.
                              Dancing they cried,
                              'Ah, how our sober islands
                              Are gay again, since this blind lyrical tramp
                              Invaded the Fair!'

                              Under the last dead lamp
                              When all the dancers and masks had gone inside
                              His cold stare
                              Returned to its true task, interrogation of silence.

                              George Mackay Brown

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                              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                                Gone fishin'
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 30163

                                #45
                                Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
                                I'm no classicist ferney and always thought of the story from poor Orpheus' viewpoint - never thought of poor Euridyce - she had been airbrushed out of the future. Maybe it takes the Orcadian in Muir to talk of what is left behind. Haunting poem.
                                It is - aside from The Horses Muir is rather overlooked today, which I think is unfair on both his poetry and on today.

                                Global's Dylan Thomas poem brought another of Mackay Brown's poems to mind, if only because I read it the other night. Thought you might like it.
                                Ooh - I did!

                                Some wonderful work on the Seamus Heaney thread being supplied by Padraig - highly recommended. But for tonight (which, as I'm sure we all know is the birthday of Witold Lutoslawski -

                                Let other poets raise a fracas
                                'Bout wines an' vines an' drunken Bacchus,
                                An' crabbed names an' stories wrack us
                                An' grate our lug;
                                I sing the juice Scotch bear can mak' us
                                In glass or jug.

                                O thou my muse! guid auld Scotch Drink
                                Whether thro' wimplin worms thou jink,
                                Or, richly brown, ream owre the brink,
                                In glorious faem,
                                Inspire me, till I lisp and' wink,
                                To sing thy name!

                                Let husky wheat the haughs adorn,
                                An’ aits set up their awnie horn,
                                An’ pease and beans, at e’en or morn,
                                Perfume the plain:
                                Leeze me on thee, John Barleycorn,
                                Thou king o’ grain!

                                On thee aft Scotland chows her cood,
                                In souple scones, the wale o’food!
                                Or tumblin in the boiling flood
                                Wi’ kail an’ beef;
                                But when thou pours thy strong heart’s blood,
                                There thou shines chief.

                                Food fills the wame, an’ keeps us leevin;
                                Tho’ life’s a gift no worth receivin,
                                When heavy-dragg’d wi’ pine an’ grievin;
                                But, oil’d by thee,
                                The wheels o’ life gae down-hill, scrievin,
                                Wi’ rattlin glee.

                                Thou clears the head o’doited Lear;
                                Thou cheers ahe heart o’ drooping Care;
                                Thou strings the nerves o’ Labour sair,
                                At’s weary toil;
                                Though even brightens dark Despair
                                Wi' gloomy smile.


                                The opening stanzas of Burns' Scotch Drink - there are another fifteen verses, but Burns can write me under the table!
                                Sláinte!
                                Last edited by ferneyhoughgeliebte; 25-01-14, 20:46. Reason: Forgot to give title/poet!
                                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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