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  • Keraulophone
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1946

    On First Looking into Chapman’s Homer

    A sonnet composed by Romantic poet John Keats (1795-1821) in October 1816, when he was just 20 years old. The poem focuses on Keats’s initial encounter with an English translation of Homer’s poetry by George Chapman (c. 1559-1634), likening the experience to that of an astronomer discovering a new planet or an explorer sighting an unknown land.


    Much have I travell’d in the realms of gold,
    And many goodly states and kingdoms seen;
    Round many western islands have I been
    Which bards in fealty to Apollo hold.
    Oft of one wide expanse had I been told
    That deep-browed Homer ruled as his demesne;
    Yet did I never breathe its pure serene
    Till I heard Chapman speak out loud and bold:
    Then felt I like some watcher of the skies
    When a new planet swims into his ken;
    Or like stout Cortez when with eagle eyes
    He star’d at the Pacific — and all his men
    Look’d at each other with a wild surmise —
    Silent, upon a peak in Darien.

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    • Petrushka
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12256

      Originally posted by Keraulophone View Post



      Look’d at each other with a wild surmise

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      PG Wodehouse was fond of quoting this line following some improbable escapade by Bertie Wooster so just reading it again raised a smile.
      "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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      • Keraulophone
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1946

        Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
        PG Wodehouse was fond of quoting this line following some improbable escapade by Bertie Wooster so just reading it again raised a smile.


        Thomas Beecham on Ethel Smyth:
        ‘She was an absolute portent of activity - physical and mental. She was on the go from morning till night, and I suspect from the greater part of night till morning. She swam into my ken when I was giving, for the first time anywhere, the whole of the Mass of Life of Delius. She was very taken with it.’ (Musical Times, July 1958)
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        • Joseph K
          Banned
          • Oct 2017
          • 7765

          Originally posted by Keraulophone View Post
          Much have I travell’d in the realms of gold,
          And many goodly states and kingdoms seen;
          Round many western islands have I been
          Which bards in fealty to Apollo hold.
          Oft of one wide expanse had I been told
          That deep-browed Homer ruled as his demesne;
          Yet did I never breathe its pure serene
          Till I heard Chapman speak out loud and bold:
          Then felt I like some watcher of the skies
          When a new planet swims into his ken;
          Or like stout Cortez when with eagle eyes
          He star’d at the Pacific — and all his men
          Look’d at each other with a wild surmise —
          Silent, upon a peak in Darien.

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          • Constantbee
            Full Member
            • Jul 2017
            • 504

            Originally posted by Keraulophone View Post
            On First Looking into Chapman’s Homer

            A sonnet composed by Romantic poet John Keats (1795-1821) in October 1816, when he was just 20 years old. The poem focuses on Keats’s initial encounter with an English translation of Homer’s poetry by George Chapman (c. 1559-1634), likening the experience to that of an astronomer discovering a new planet or an explorer sighting an unknown land.


            Much have I travell’d in the realms of gold,
            And many goodly states and kingdoms seen;
            Round many western islands have I been
            Which bards in fealty to Apollo hold.
            Oft of one wide expanse had I been told
            That deep-browed Homer ruled as his demesne;
            Yet did I never breathe its pure serene
            Till I heard Chapman speak out loud and bold:
            Then felt I like some watcher of the skies
            When a new planet swims into his ken;
            Or like stout Cortez when with eagle eyes
            He star’d at the Pacific — and all his men
            Look’d at each other with a wild surmise —
            Silent, upon a peak in Darien.

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            This sonnet featured in a Wigmore Hall discussion programme I enjoyed last week:


            Still available to view and recommended.

            It was beautifully read by speaker Ruth Rosen, who managed to demonstrate how meaning can be conveyed or enhanced in a poem or passage of text when it’s well read, something I listen out for in choral evensong broadcasts where the readings are sometimes garbled or rushed.

            This being Keats' bicentennial year I hied myself onto the catalogues of local public libraries to search for Lucasta Miller’s book – and found it closer to home than I expected to, which was pleasing as it hasn't been out long. I doubt whether the book will make recommended student reading lists, but it’s a great read written by an enthusiast for enthusiasts. Lucasta Miller is none other than Mrs Ian Bostridge btw.

            And the tune ends too soon for us all

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            • Keraulophone
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 1946

              Thanks for these tips, Cb. I’ve ordered the book.

              I enjoyed Omnibus’s The Last Journey of John Keats in February. It’s worth looking out for a repeat on BBC 4 (why is it FOUR?).

              Andrew Motion retraces the journey to Italy made by John Keats shortly before he died.

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              • Padraig
                Full Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 4237

                [QUOTE=vinteuil;845062]

                Laertes

                Michael Longley

                Many thanks for that, v. Should have known the poem, but did not. However, I am now reminded that I bought his Collected Poems back in 2016 when on a trip to Bellaghy, and now I will start on a journey through the nine volumes. Here is one that quickly caught my eye from the first volume :

                Emily Dickinson

                Emily Dickinson, I think of you
                Wakening early each morning to write,
                Dressing with care for the act of poetry.
                Yours is always a perfect progress through
                Such cluttered rooms to eloquence, delight,
                To words - your window on the mystery.

                In your house in Amherst Massachusetts,
                Though like love letters you lock them away,
                The poems are ubiquitous as dust.
                You sit there writing while the light permits -
                While you grow older they increase each day,
                Gradual as flowers, gradual as rust.

                Michael Longley from No Continuing City 1969

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                • johncorrigan
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 10368

                  Inspired by Keats.

                  My Gran Visits England by Grace Nichols

                  My Gran was a Caribbean lady
                  As Caribbean as could be
                  She came across to visit us
                  In Shoreham by the sea.

                  She'd hardly put her suitcase down
                  when she began a digging spree
                  Out in the back garden
                  To see what she could see

                  And she found:
                  That the ground was as groundy
                  That the frogs were as froggy
                  That the earthworms were as worthy

                  That the weeds were as weedy
                  That the seeds were as seedy
                  That the bees were as busy
                  as those back home

                  And she paused from her digging
                  And she wondered
                  And she looked at her spade
                  And she pondered

                  Then she stood by a rose
                  As a slug passed by her toes
                  And she called to my Dad
                  as she struck pose after pose,

                  'Boy, come and take my photo – the place cold,
                  But wherever there's God's earth, I'm at home.'

                  Grace Nichols

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                  • vinteuil
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 12844

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                    A Bookshop Idyll

                    Between the GARDENING and the COOKERY
                    Comes the brief POETRY shelf;
                    By the Nonesuch Donne, a thin anthology
                    Offers itself.

                    Critical, and with nothing else to do,
                    I scan the Contents page,
                    Relieved to find the names are mostly new;
                    No one my age.

                    Like all strangers, they divide by sex:
                    Landscape near Parma
                    Interests a man, so does The Double Vortex,
                    So does Rilke and Buddha.

                    'I travel, you see', 'I think' and 'I can read'
                    These titles seem to say;
                    But I Remember You, Love is my Creed,
                    Poem for J.
                    ,

                    The ladies' choice, discountenance my patter
                    For several seconds;
                    From somewhere in this (as in any) matter
                    A moral beckons.

                    Should poets bicycle-pump the human heart
                    Or squash it flat?
                    Man's love is of man's life a thing apart;
                    Girls aren't like that.

                    We men have got love well weighed up; our stuff
                    Can get by without it.
                    Women don't seem to think that's good enough;
                    They write about it,

                    And the awful way their poems lay open
                    Just doesn't strike them.
                    Women are really much nicer than men:
                    No wonder we like them.

                    Deciding this, we can forget those times
                    We sat up half the night
                    Chock-full of love, crammed with bright thoughts, names, rhymes,
                    And couldn't write.

                    Kingsley Amis [1922-1995]

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                    • Padraig
                      Full Member
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 4237

                      To celebrate the reopening of our best bookshop I bought a book yesterday - Derek Mahon, New Selected Poems. It's a great read, and though I have not made my way through all the poems yet I have no difficulty in finding several well worth sharing. Here is one, with a visual aid as an introduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxU6kk24mho

                      At the Butler Arms

                      No boats this week, too choppy, so we watch
                      from a spread table beneath
                      a Charlie Chaplin photograph
                      who often came here for a holiday;
                      or we drive over to Finian's Cove to study
                      the eight-mile stretch

                      of water between here and Sceilig Mhichil
                      where the old anchorites
                      and monks who chose the place and raised
                      a church, two chapels and six drystone huts,
                      survived on dulse and mackerel
                      out in the haze.

                      No pleasant woodland there, no grazing deer
                      such as the others knew
                      above fly-bubbling salmon streams ashore,
                      in field and forest beneath oak and yew -
                      not calm, contemplative ease
                      but violent seas.

                      Six hundred years of plainchant and response,
                      gannet and cormorant; six
                      centuries of the 'crude bronze crucifix'
                      in Finian's church, chalice and canticle,
                      prayer book and reading candle,
                      thistles and campions.

                      How could you get inside their bony heads?
                      Wrapped up in mystic mists,
                      they spent the hours and years
                      wrestling with the hot flesh in their cold beds,
                      their backs to Europe and the wars,
                      talking to ghosts.

                      What news of the great world, of Gaul and Rome,
                      Iona and Cappadocia? Some,
                      but late; prostrate at Easter in the nave
                      they listened to the whistling wave
                      and saw the sun sink in an infinite ocean
                      world of its own.


                      Strong winds continue, so no trip this time.
                      Still, it could be predictable to climb
                      to the immense height and the whole shocking
                      reach of the Atlantic (with special care
                      since there's no handrail there).
                      No going back,

                      is there, to that wild hush of dedication,
                      to the solitude, the intense belief,
                      the last rock of an abandoned civilization
                      whose dim lights glimmered in a distant age
                      to illuminate at the edge
                      a future life.

                      Derek Mahon

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                      • jayne lee wilson
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2011
                        • 10711

                        John Berryman, Dream Song 14

                        Life, friends, is boring. We must not say so.
                        After all, the sky flashes, the great sea yearns,
                        we ourselves flash and yearn,
                        and moreover my mother told me as a boy
                        (repeatingly) ‘Ever to confess you’re bored
                        means you have no

                        Inner Resources.’ I conclude now I have no
                        inner resources, because I am heavy bored.
                        Peoples bore me,
                        literature bores me, especially great literature,
                        Henry bores me, with his plights & gripes
                        as bad as achilles,

                        who loves people and valiant art, which bores me.
                        And the tranquil hills, & gin, look like a drag
                        and somehow a dog
                        has taken itself & its tail considerably away
                        into mountains or sea or sky, leaving
                        behind: me, wag.

                        ("Henry" is a principal character in the sequence, kinda Berryman and not-Berryman, who has suffered some intense yet unnamed loss...)

                        Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 08-05-21, 15:45.

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                        • silvestrione
                          Full Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 1708

                          Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                          John Berryman, Dream Song 14

                          Life, friends, is boring. We must not say so.
                          After all, the sky flashes, the great sea yearns,
                          we ourselves flash and yearn,
                          and moreover my mother told me as a boy
                          (repeatingly) ‘Ever to confess you’re bored
                          means you have no

                          Inner Resources.’ I conclude now I have no
                          inner resources, because I am heavy bored.
                          Peoples bore me,
                          literature bores me, especially great literature,
                          Henry bores me, with his plights & gripes
                          as bad as achilles,

                          who loves people and valiant art, which bores me.
                          And the tranquil hills, & gin, look like a drag
                          and somehow a dog
                          has taken itself & its tail considerably away
                          into mountains or sea or sky, leaving
                          behind: me, wag.

                          ("Henry" is a principal character in the sequence, kinda Berryman and not-Berryman, who has suffered some intense yet unnamed loss...)

                          Nice to be reminded of this, thanks, Jayne.

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                          • silvestrione
                            Full Member
                            • Jan 2011
                            • 1708

                            Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                            To celebrate the reopening of our best bookshop I bought a book yesterday - Derek Mahon, New Selected Poems. It's a great read, and though I have not made my way through all the poems yet I have no difficulty in finding several well worth sharing. Here is one, with a visual aid as an introduction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxU6kk24mho

                            At the Butler Arms

                            No boats this week, too choppy, so we watch
                            from a spread table beneath
                            a Charlie Chaplin photograph
                            who often came here for a holiday;
                            or we drive over to Finian's Cove to study
                            the eight-mile stretch

                            of water between here and Sceilig Mhichil
                            where the old anchorites
                            and monks who chose the place and raised
                            a church, two chapels and six drystone huts,
                            survived on dulse and mackerel
                            out in the haze.

                            No pleasant woodland there, no grazing deer
                            such as the others knew
                            above fly-bubbling salmon streams ashore,
                            in field and forest beneath oak and yew -
                            not calm, contemplative ease
                            but violent seas.

                            Six hundred years of plainchant and response,
                            gannet and cormorant; six
                            centuries of the 'crude bronze crucifix'
                            in Finian's church, chalice and canticle,
                            prayer book and reading candle,
                            thistles and campions.

                            How could you get inside their bony heads?
                            Wrapped up in mystic mists,
                            they spent the hours and years
                            wrestling with the hot flesh in their cold beds,
                            their backs to Europe and the wars,
                            talking to ghosts.

                            What news of the great world, of Gaul and Rome,
                            Iona and Cappadocia? Some,
                            but late; prostrate at Easter in the nave
                            they listened to the whistling wave
                            and saw the sun sink in an infinite ocean
                            world of its own.


                            Strong winds continue, so no trip this time.
                            Still, it could be predictable to climb
                            to the immense height and the whole shocking
                            reach of the Atlantic (with special care
                            since there's no handrail there).
                            No going back,

                            is there, to that wild hush of dedication,
                            to the solitude, the intense belief,
                            the last rock of an abandoned civilization
                            whose dim lights glimmered in a distant age
                            to illuminate at the edge
                            a future life.

                            Derek Mahon
                            Superb! Thank you so much. I love especially the way the rhymes work, a kind of fittingness that reinforces the 'rightness' of the phrasing and perception.

                            (I must have this poem somewhere, but seem to have missed it before)

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                            • silvestrione
                              Full Member
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 1708

                              Alone, in silence, at a certain time of night,
                              Listening, and looking up from what I'm trying to write,
                              I hear a local train along the Valley. And " There
                              Goes the one-fifty", think I to myself; aware
                              That somehow its habitual travelling comforts me,
                              Making my world seem safer, homelier, sure to be
                              The same to-morrow; and the same, one hopes, next year.
                              " There's peacetime in that train." One hears it disappear
                              With needless warning whistle and rail-resounding wheels.
                              "That train's quite like an old familiar friend", one feels.

                              Sassoon (which gives the third-last line additional weight).

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                              • vinteuil
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 12844

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                                In one of these excursions, travelling then
                                Through Wales on foot and with a youthful friend,
                                I left Bethkelet’s huts at couching-time,
                                And westward took my way to see the sun
                                Rise from the top of Snowdon. Having reached
                                The cottage at the mountain’s foot, we there
                                Rouzed up the shepherd who by ancient right
                                Of office is the stranger’s usual guide,
                                And after a short refreshment sallied forth.

                                It was a summer’s night, a close warm night,
                                Wan, dull, and glaring, with a dripping mist
                                Low-hung and thick that covered all the sky,
                                Half threatening storm and rain; but on we went
                                Unchecked, being full of heart and having faith
                                In our tried pilot. Little could we see,
                                Hemmed round on every side with fog and damp,
                                And, after ordinary travellers’ chat
                                With our conductor, silently we sunk
                                Each into commerce with his private thoughts.
                                Thus did we breast the ascent, and by myself
                                Was nothing either seen or heard the while
                                Which took me from my musings, save that once
                                The shepherd’s cur did to his own great joy
                                Unearth a hedgehog in the mountain-crags,
                                Round which he made a barking turbulent.
                                This small adventure – for even such it seemed
                                In that wild place and at the dead of night –
                                Being over and forgotten, on we wound
                                In silence as before. With forehead bent
                                Earthward, as if in opposition set
                                Against an enemy, I panted up
                                With eager pace, and no less eager thoughts,
                                Thus might we wear perhaps an hour away,
                                Ascending at loose distance each from each,
                                And I, as chanced, the foremost of the band –
                                When at my feet the ground appeared to brighten,
                                And with a step or two seemed brighter still;
                                Nor had I time to ask the cause of this,
                                For instantly a light upon the turf
                                Fell like a flash. I looked about, and lo,
                                The moon stood naked in the heavens at height
                                Immense above my head, and on the shore
                                I found myself of a huge sea of mist,
                                Which meek and silent rested at my feet.
                                A hundred hills their dusky backs upheaved
                                All over this still ocean, and beyond,
                                Far, far beyond, the vapours shot themselves
                                In headlands, tongues, and promontory shapes,
                                Into the sea, the real sea, that seemed
                                To dwindle and give up its majesty,
                                Usurped upon as far as sight could reach.
                                Meanwhile, the moon looked down upon this shew
                                In single glory, and we stood, the mist
                                Touching our very feet; and from the shore
                                At distance not the third part of a mile
                                Was a blue chasm, a fracture in the vapour,
                                A deep and gloomy breathing-place, through which
                                Mounted the roar of waters, torrents, streams
                                Innumerable, roaring with one voice.
                                The universal spectacle throughout
                                Was shaped for admiration and delight,
                                Grand in itself alone, but in that breach
                                Through which the homeless voice of waters rose,
                                That dark deep thoroughfare, had Nature lodged
                                The soul, the imagination of the whole.

                                A meditation rose in me that night
                                Upon the lonely mountain when the scene
                                Had passed away, and it appeared to me
                                The perfect image of a mighty mind,
                                Of one that feeds upon infinity,
                                That is exalted by an under-presence
                                The sense of God, or whatsoe’er is dim
                                Or vast in its own being – above all,
                                One function of such mind had Nature there
                                Exhibited by putting forth, and that
                                Which circumstance most awful and sublime:
                                That domination which she oftentimes
                                Exerts upon the outward face of things,
                                So moulds them, and endues, abstracts, combines,
                                Or by abrupt and unhabitual influence
                                Doth make one object so impress itself
                                Upon all others, and pervades them so,
                                That even the grossest minds must see and hear,
                                And cannot chuse but feel.

                                William Wordsworth [1770-1850]

                                The Prelude [1805 text] book 13, 1-84

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