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  • Padraig
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    • Feb 2013
    • 4237

    Originally posted by antongould View Post
    ....I have, thanks to you, promoted Emily ......
    That calls for an encore!

    The poem 'The Chariot' was published shortly after Emily's death. It was an edited version to fit prevailing beliefs about death and proper attitudes to it, and was in the first commercial publication to bring Dickinson's poetry to a wider audience. Other more scholarly editions have since appeared and which have restored the original texts - which of course did not have titles.




    Because I could not stop for Death -
    He kindly stopped for me -
    The Carriage held but just Ourselves -
    And Immortality.

    We slowly drove - He knew no haste
    And I had put away
    My labour and my leisure too,
    For His Civility -

    We passed the School, where Children strove
    At Recess - in the Ring -
    We passed the Fields of Gazing Grain -
    We passed the Setting Sun -

    Or rather - He passed Us -
    The Dews grew quivering and Chill -
    For only Gossamer, my Gown -
    My Tippet - only Tulle -

    We paused before a House that seemed
    A Swelling of the Ground -
    The Roof was scarcely visible -
    The Cornice - in the Ground -

    Since then - 'tis Centuries - and yet
    Feels shorter than the Day
    I first surmised the Horses' Heads
    Were towards Eternity -

    Emily Dickinson 1863 Published 1890

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    • johncorrigan
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 10363

      Thank you, Padraig. Following your recent posts I went looking in the closest bookshop for some Emily Dickinson, but could only find a 700-page book, more than I was prepared for. However I did consider it, but decided that my £20 might be more usefully spent on 'The Poems of Norman MacCaig'. Most of the material I have is post-1960, but this book, edited by his son, Ewan, has some older poems from the period which Ewan describes as 'where my Dad started to find his voice'. I've been enjoying these older pieces very much.

      This one is called 'False Summer'.

      False Summer

      False summer’s here and the canal’s
      Green water breathes with lover’s kisses,
      And buildings deep as herons stand
      In the whirlpool of their own wishes.

      The buds that made our winter tender
      Feel the leaf aching and begin
      Its million-year-old two-inch journey
      Into the parish of the sun.

      But beyond the yellow light are lurking
      Microbes of frost, and in the air
      Are ghosts of claws that, one clear night,
      Will pinch to ashes the cheated flower.

      The water will be black and glassy
      Against the brittle grass-stems, and
      Bewildered lovers will remember
      What once flew in the freezing wind.

      Norman MacCaig (April 1948)

      At the weekend in Embra I found a more manageable book of Emily's poems and am enjoying those.

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      • Padraig
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        • Feb 2013
        • 4237

        Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
        Thank you, Padraig. Following your recent posts I went looking in the closest bookshop for some Emily Dickinson, but could only find a 700-page book, more than I was prepared for. However I did consider it, but decided that my £20 might be more usefully spent on 'The Poems of Norman MacCaig'. Most of the material I have is post-1960, but this book, edited by his son, Ewan, has some older poems from the period which Ewan describes as 'where my Dad started to find his voice'. I've been enjoying these older pieces very much.

        This one is called 'False Summer'.

        False Summer

        False summer’s here and the canal’s
        Green water breathes with lover’s kisses,
        And buildings deep as herons stand
        In the whirlpool of their own wishes.

        The buds that made our winter tender
        Feel the leaf aching and begin
        Its million-year-old two-inch journey
        Into the parish of the sun.

        But beyond the yellow light are lurking
        Microbes of frost, and in the air
        Are ghosts of claws that, one clear night,
        Will pinch to ashes the cheated flower.

        The water will be black and glassy
        Against the brittle grass-stems, and
        Bewildered lovers will remember
        What once flew in the freezing wind.

        Norman MacCaig (April 1948)

        At the weekend in Embra I found a more manageable book of Emily's poems and am enjoying those.
        That 700-pager is the devil to hold open, John, but very useful for reference. I was going to recommend Emily Dickinson ed Helen Mcneill, in Everyman Poetry, but I see you have one. I hope it's not the Wordsworth Poetry one!

        Notice how Emily's dashes change the apparent rhythm of her hymn-like verses - somebody said you could sing most of her poems to the tune of Amazing Grace. I've tried it out on a few and it's true!

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        • johncorrigan
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 10363

          Originally posted by Padraig View Post
          That 700-pager is the devil to hold open, John, but very useful for reference. I was going to recommend Emily Dickinson ed Helen Mcneill, in Everyman Poetry, but I see you have one. I hope it's not the Wordsworth Poetry one!

          Notice how Emily's dashes change the apparent rhythm of her hymn-like verses - somebody said you could sing most of her poems to the tune of Amazing Grace. I've tried it out on a few and it's true!
          In the rather excellent bookshop, fairly recently opened, in Edinburgh (it has a branch in St Andrews which we love), I had the choice of three Emily books plus the 700 page version. I decided to go for the slim ff version, chosen by Ted Hughes, essentially because I enjoyed his foreword and he gave a great case for the retention of the dash. One of the others had clearly introduced alien punctuation, and it just didn't feel right. I shall get my 'Amazing Grace' practiced and give it a try. Thanks.

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          • Padraig
            Full Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 4237

            Maybe unheard melodies are sweeter, but heard poetry is hard to better. Yeats read by a master.

            I could not find the 'interesting youtube' thread.


            The Song of Wandering AengusBy William Butler YeatsI went out to the hazel wood,Because a fire was in my head,And cut and peeled a hazel wand,And hooked a be...

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            • johncorrigan
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 10363

              In the dying embers of National Poetry Day I came upon this poem by Raymond Carver that seemed somehow pertinent.

              Company

              This morning I woke up to rain
              on the glass. And understood
              that for a long time now
              I've chosen the corrupt when
              I had a choice. Or else,
              simply, the merely easy.
              Over the virtuous. Or the difficult.
              This way of thinking happens
              when I've been alone for days.
              Like now. Hours spent
              in my own dumb company.
              Hours and hours
              much like a little room.
              With just a strip of carpet to walk on.

              Raymond Carver

              You all take care in there, now!

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              • Padraig
                Full Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 4237

                Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
                In the dying embers of National Poetry Day I came upon this poem by Raymond Carver that seemed somehow pertinent.

                Company

                This morning I woke up to rain
                on the glass. And understood
                that for a long time now
                I've chosen the corrupt when
                I had a choice. Or else,
                simply, the merely easy.
                Over the virtuous. Or the difficult.
                This way of thinking happens
                when I've been alone for days.
                Like now. Hours spent
                in my own dumb company.
                Hours and hours
                much like a little room.
                With just a strip of carpet to walk on.

                Raymond Carver

                You all take care in there, now!
                Honest Raymond Carver. One of the disadvantages of total isolation. Not nearly as bad for me, I think.

                Thanks for your good wishes to us all, John, which I heartily second. But I have to remind you that hugging is out.

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                • johncorrigan
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 10363

                  Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                  Honest Raymond Carver. One of the disadvantages of total isolation. Not nearly as bad for me, I think.

                  Thanks for your good wishes to us all, John, which I heartily second. But I have to remind you that hugging is out.
                  It was a virtual hug, Padraig, but no less meant. Glorious spring day here today. A virtual

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                  • Padraig
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                    • Feb 2013
                    • 4237

                    Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
                    It was a virtual hug, Padraig, but no less meant. Glorious spring day here today. A virtual
                    I was really only pulling your leg, John. Nice here too; just back from a walk round Madam's Bank Road.

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                    • johncorrigan
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 10363

                      Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                      I was really only pulling your leg, John. Nice here too; just back from a walk round Madam's Bank Road.
                      Me and Mrs C took a walk round the Corbennic Poetry Path just outside of Dunkeld on the road to the Sma' Glen, Padraig. Nicola Sturgeon, who has performed very well in this crisis, so far, had made the announcement that unnecessary travel to the Scottish Islands was now discouraged as was travel on the Calmac Ferries, which put the final nail in our annual Easter week on Iona...well we knew it was coming, but still so disappointing. Just after that on the Poetry Path, I came upon this short piece carved into slate by Kenneth Steven - Ken is also an Ionaphile, so I am sure his poem was about Columba's Island.

                      In
                      all
                      the
                      hurry
                      of
                      our
                      lives
                      we
                      need
                      so
                      much
                      just
                      now
                      and
                      then
                      to
                      find
                      an
                      island.

                      Kenneth Steven

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                      • Padraig
                        Full Member
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 4237

                        John, that's a lovely idea - the Poetry Path, and that poem carved in slate is fittingly ancient looking enough to be genuine Ionian. But, you know Derry has a big claim on Columba. We have St.Columb's Cathedral, St.Columb's College, St.Columba's Church - all within walking distance of each other in a historic area of the city within and without the Walls. He is the 'patron of our town' as the hymn says. An ecumenical congregation sings the hymn in this clip in the Great Hall of Derry's Guildhall. I have not sung this since I was a primary school pupil. (We placed great stress on the final syllable of Colum- BA, despite the efforts of the teacher. Try it - it was fun.)

                        video, sharing, camera phone, video phone, free, upload



                        PS I forgot to point out that the opening shot in the video depicts Columba's departure for Iona in the stained glass window.
                        Last edited by Padraig; 22-03-20, 21:05.

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                        • DracoM
                          Host
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 12972

                          Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                          That calls for an encore!

                          The poem 'The Chariot' was published shortly after Emily's death. It was an edited version to fit prevailing beliefs about death and proper attitudes to it, and was in the first commercial publication to bring Dickinson's poetry to a wider audience. Other more scholarly editions have since appeared and which have restored the original texts - which of course did not have titles.




                          Because I could not stop for Death -
                          He kindly stopped for me -
                          The Carriage held but just Ourselves -
                          And Immortality.

                          We slowly drove - He knew no haste
                          And I had put away
                          My labour and my leisure too,
                          For His Civility -

                          We passed the School, where Children strove
                          At Recess - in the Ring -
                          We passed the Fields of Gazing Grain -
                          We passed the Setting Sun -

                          Or rather - He passed Us -
                          The Dews grew quivering and Chill -
                          For only Gossamer, my Gown -
                          My Tippet - only Tulle -

                          We paused before a House that seemed
                          A Swelling of the Ground -
                          The Roof was scarcely visible -
                          The Cornice - in the Ground -

                          Since then - 'tis Centuries - and yet
                          Feels shorter than the Day
                          I first surmised the Horses' Heads
                          Were towards Eternity -

                          Emily Dickinson 1863 Published 1890
                          One of my VERY great favourites - many thanks.

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                          • johncorrigan
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 10363

                            Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                            John, that's a lovely idea - the Poetry Path, and that poem carved in slate is fittingly ancient looking enough to be genuine Ionian. But, you know Derry has a big claim on Columba. We have St.Columb's Cathedral, St.Columb's College, St.Columba's Church - all within walking distance of each other in a historic area of the city within and without the Walls. He is the 'patron of our town' as the hymn says. An ecumenical congregation sings the hymn in this clip in the Great Hall of Derry's Guildhall. I have not sung this since I was a primary school pupil. (We placed great stress on the final syllable of Colum- BA, despite the efforts of the teacher. Try it - it was fun.)

                            video, sharing, camera phone, video phone, free, upload



                            PS I forgot to point out that the opening shot in the video depicts Columba's departure for Iona in the stained glass window.
                            Looks like the congregation is trying to put a good bit of stress on the BA there, Padraig - following in your footsteps clearly - I enjoyed joining in - can't help it really. I seem to recall that we went to Glencolumkille many years ago where Columba is supposed to have set sail from - thatched cottages come to mind. Interestingly, Dunkeld also has a St Columba Cathedral as his bones were moved there to escape the marauding Vikings who would have seen them as powerful treasure.

                            Just up from the poetry path is Amulree, which some people believe to be a corruption in Gaelic from the 'Ford of the bald Ruah(not sure of spelling), he being one of Columba's disciples who travelled by sea, river and loch across the heart of Scotland to preach to the Picts.

                            The poetry path was put in place by the gardener at Corbennic, which is a Camphill residence, and he is an Irish poet, Jon Plunkett. It takes about an hour and a half to walk round and takes you through forest, wood, moor and down to the beautiful River Braan. There's about 30 poems and some sculptures too...beautiful place.
                              ​                                                                                                           ​                    ...

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                            • DracoM
                              Host
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 12972

                              Really do recommend the poetry of RS Thomas esp his collection 'Residues' publ Bloodaxe.

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                              • johncorrigan
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 10363

                                Scotland's Makar, Jackie Kay, was a wee bit younger when she wrote 'Sassenachs' about her first journey to London with her pal, Jenny. It took me back to times gone by, hanging about with a pal that you really liked, but was capable of embarrassing you.


                                Sassenachs

                                Me and my best pal (well, she was
                                till a minute ago) are off to London.
                                First trip on an InterCity alone.
                                When we got on we were the same
                                kind of excited – jigging on our seats,
                                staring at everyone. But then,
                                I remembered I was to be sophisticated
                                So when Jenny starts shouting,
                                ‘Look at that, the land’s flat already,’
                                when we are just outside Glasgow
                                (Motherwell actually) I feel myself flush.
                                Or even worse, ‘Sassenach country.
                                Wey Hey Hey.’ The tartan tammy
                                sitting proudly on top of her pony;
                                the tartan scarf swinging like a tail.
                                The nose pressed to the window.
                                ‘England’s not so beautiful, is it?’
                                And we haven’t even crossed the border.
                                And the train’s jazzy beat joins her:
                                Sassenachs sassenachs here we come.
                                Sassenachs sassenachs Rum Tum Tum.
                                Sassenachs sassenachs how do you do.
                                Sassenachs sassenachs we’ll get you.
                                Then she loses momentum, so out come
                                the egg mayonnaise sandwiches and
                                the big bottle of bru. ‘Ma ma’s done us proud,’
                                says Jenny, digging in, munching loud.
                                The whole train is an egg and I’m inside it.
                                I try and remain calm; Jenny starts it again,
                                Sassenachs sassenachs Rum Tum Tum.

                                Finally, we get there: London, Euston;
                                and the very first person on the platform
                                gets asked – ‘Are you a genuine sassenach?’
                                I want to die, but instead I say, Jenny.
                                He replies in that English way –
                                ‘I beg your pardon,’ and Jenny screams
                                ‘Did you hear that Voice?’
                                And we both die laughing, clutching
                                our stomachs at Euston station.

                                Jackie Kay

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