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  • Padraig
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    • Feb 2013
    • 4236

    Originally posted by Bella Kemp View Post
    An extraordinary and very moving poem. I'm ashamed to say I'd not heard of this poet. Thank you for posting.
    Nor I, Bella. Thanks to the Observer and Kate Kellaway. Marie Stowe is another 'find'.
    I'm glad you too liked Stories by Julia Copus.

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    • Bella Kemp
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      • Aug 2014
      • 463

      Thanks for this Padraig, but I've googled Marie Stowe and can find no trace of a poet. is this how her name is spelt?

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      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
        Gone fishin'
        • Sep 2011
        • 30163

        Originally posted by Bella Kemp View Post
        Thanks for this Padraig, but I've googled Marie Stowe and can find no trace of a poet. is this how her name is spelt?
        Julia Copus says that her poem is "after Marie Howe", which results in:

        Poems, readings, poetry news and the entire 110-year archive of POETRY magazine.
        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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        • Bella Kemp
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          • Aug 2014
          • 463

          Ah thanks!

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          • johncorrigan
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 10358

            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            Julia Copus says that her poem is "after Marie Howe", which results in:

            https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/marie-howe
            Thanks ferney. I had never heard of Marie Howe but found this strangely compelling.


            What the Angels Left

            At first, the scissors seemed perfectly harmless.
            They lay on the kitchen table in the blue light.

            Then I began to notice them all over the house,
            at night in the pantry, or filling up bowls in the cellar

            where there should have been apples. They appeared under rugs,
            lumpy places where one would usually settle before the fire,

            or suddenly shining in the sink at the bottom of soupy water.
            Once, I found a pair in the garden, stuck in turned dirt

            among the new bulbs, and one night, under my pillow,
            I felt something like a cool long tooth and pulled them out

            to lie next to me in the dark. Soon after that I began
            to collect them, filling boxes, old shopping bags,

            every suitcase I owned. I grew slightly uncomfortable
            when company came. What if someone noticed them

            when looking for forks or replacing dried dishes? I longed
            to throw them out, but how could I get rid of something

            that felt oddly like grace? It occurred to me finally
            that I was meant to use them, and I resisted a growing compulsion

            to cut my hair, although in moments of great distraction,
            I thought it was my eyes they wanted, or my soft belly

            —exhausted, in winter, I laid them out on the lawn.
            The snow fell quite as usual, without any apparent hesitation

            or discomfort. In spring, as expected, they were gone.
            In their place, a slight metallic smell, and the dear muddy earth.

            Marie Howe

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            • Padraig
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              • Feb 2013
              • 4236

              Originally posted by Bella Kemp View Post
              Thanks for this Padraig, but I've googled Marie Stowe and can find no trace of a poet. is this how her name is spelt?
              Sorry Bella. I should have gone to Specsavers. But, I think that Marie Howe is an interesting 'find' too.

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              • Bella Kemp
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                • Aug 2014
                • 463

                She certainly is.

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                • johncorrigan
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                  • Nov 2010
                  • 10358

                  Happiness in Cornwall

                  His wife died and he grew old
                  between the graveyard and his
                  front door. Walked with a gait.
                  Shoulders bent. He let his clothes
                  go, and his long hair turned white.
                  His children found him somebody.
                  A big middle-aged woman with
                  heavy shoes who knew how to
                  mop, wax, dust, shop, carry in
                  firewood. Who could live
                  in a room at the back of the house.
                  Prepare meals. And slowly,
                  slowly bring the old man around
                  to listen to her read poetry
                  in the evenings in front of
                  the fire. Tennyson, Browning,
                  Shakespeare, Drinkwater. Men
                  whose names take up space
                  on the page. She was the butler,
                  cook, housekeeper. And after
                  a time, oh, no one knows or cares
                  when, they began to dress up
                  on Sundays and stroll through town.
                  She with her arm through his.
                  Smiling. He proud and happy
                  and with his hand on hers.
                  No one denied them
                  or tried to diminish this
                  in any way. Happiness is
                  a rare thing! Evenings he
                  listened to poetry, poetry, poetry
                  in front of the fire.
                  Couldn’t get enough of that life.

                  Raymond Carver

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                  • Bella Kemp
                    Full Member
                    • Aug 2014
                    • 463

                    Thanks johncorrigan for reminding us that Carver was not only a great short story writer but a fine poet (although I can't be alone in thinking that Drinkwater stands a little oddly following Browning, Tennyson, Shakespeare - probably my ignorance to blame). Here's another of his poems that never fails to move me:
                    Happiness
                    So early it's still almost dark out.
                    I'm near the window with coffee,
                    and the usual early morning stuff
                    that passes for thought.

                    When I see the boy and his friend
                    walking up the road
                    to deliver the newspaper.

                    They wear caps and sweaters,
                    and one boy has a bag over his shoulder.
                    They are so happy
                    they aren't saying anything, these boys.

                    I think if they could, they would take
                    each other's arm.
                    It's early in the morning,
                    and they are doing this thing together.

                    They come on, slowly.
                    The sky is taking on light,
                    though the moon still hangs pale over the water.

                    Such beauty that for a minute
                    death and ambition, even love,
                    doesn't enter into this.

                    Happiness. It comes on
                    unexpectedly. And goes beyond, really,
                    any early morning talk about it.

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                    • johncorrigan
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 10358

                      Originally posted by Bella Kemp View Post
                      Thanks johncorrigan for reminding us that Carver was not only a great short story writer but a fine poet (although I can't be alone in thinking that Drinkwater stands a little oddly following Browning, Tennyson, Shakespeare - probably my ignorance to blame). Here's another of his poems that never fails to move me:
                      Carver creates such amazing images, and you are there watching out of his window, usually from his desk. Funnily enough, Bella, I was looking for 'Happiness' today when I came across 'Happiness in Cornwall'.

                      My Crow

                      A crow flew into the tree outside my window.
                      It was not Ted Hughes’s crow, or Galway’s crow.
                      Or Frost’s, Pasternak’s, or Lorca’s crow.
                      Or one of Homer’s crows, stuffed with gore,
                      after the battle. This was just a crow.
                      That never fit in anywhere in its life,
                      or did anything worth mentioning.
                      It sat there on the branch for a few minutes.
                      Then picked up and flew beautifully
                      out of my life.

                      Raymond Carver

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                      • Bella Kemp
                        Full Member
                        • Aug 2014
                        • 463

                        Thanks John. Isn't he incredible? How does he make what seems like ordinary chat into the most profound poetry? It's the Art in being Artless.

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                        • johncorrigan
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 10358

                          Originally posted by Bella Kemp View Post
                          Thanks John. Isn't he incredible? How does he make what seems like ordinary chat into the most profound poetry? It's the Art in being Artless.
                          Agreed! Actually, Bella, I first discovered him as a poet. It was only later that I discovered he wrote short stories. I think I posted it before, but this was the first poem I read by Carver.

                          My Daughter and Apple Pie

                          She serves me a piece of it a few minutes
                          out of the oven. A little steam rises
                          from the slits on top. Sugar and spice -
                          cinnamon - burned into the crust.
                          But she's wearing these dark glasses
                          in the kitchen at ten o'clock
                          in the morning - everything nice -
                          as she watches me break off
                          a piece, bring it to my mouth,
                          and blow on it. My daughter's kitchen,
                          in winter. I fork the pie in
                          and tell myself to stay out of it.
                          She says she loves him. No way
                          could it be worse.

                          Raymond Carver

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                          • Padraig
                            Full Member
                            • Feb 2013
                            • 4236

                            Thanks John and Bella for those Carver poems, which I have enjoyed reading all over again. They reminded me that I also enjoyed another American poet around the same time, and I have dug one up just for you!

                            Nightclub

                            You are so beautiful and I am a fool
                            to be in love with you
                            is a theme that keeps coming up
                            in songs and poems.
                            There seems to be no room for variation.
                            I have never heard anyone sing
                            I am so beautiful
                            and you are a fool to be in love with me,
                            even though this notion has surely
                            crossed the minds of women and men alike.
                            You are so beautiful, too bad you are a fool
                            is another one you don't hear.
                            Or, you are a fool to consider me beautiful.
                            That one you will never hear, guaranteed.

                            For no particular reason this afternoon
                            I am listening to Johnny Hartman
                            whose dark voice can curl around
                            the concepts of love, beauty, and foolishness
                            like no one else's can.
                            It feels like smoke curling up from a cigarette
                            someone left burning on a baby grand piano
                            around three o'clock in the morning;

                            smoke that billows up into the bright lights
                            while out there in the darkness
                            some of the beautiful fools have gathered
                            around little tables to listen,
                            some with their eyes closed,
                            others leaning forward into the music
                            as if it were holding them up,
                            or twirling the loose ice in a glass,
                            slipping by degrees into a rhythmic dream.

                            Yes, there is all this foolish beauty,
                            borne beyond midnight,
                            that has no desire to go home,
                            especially now when everyone in the room
                            is watching the large man with the tenor sax
                            that hangs from his neck like a golden fish.
                            He moves forward to the edge of the stage
                            and hands the instrument down to me
                            and nods that I should play.
                            So I put the mouthpiece to my lips
                            and blow into it with all my living breath.
                            We are all so foolish,
                            my long bebop solo begins by saying,
                            so damn foolish
                            we have become beautiful without even knowing it.

                            Billy Collins from The Art of Drowning 1995

                            A beautiful jazz ballad crooned by Johnny Hartman and accompanied brilliantly by John Coltrane's quartet: Coltrane, McCoy Tyner, Jimmy Garrison, and Elvin Jo...
                            Last edited by Padraig; 28-05-19, 20:00.

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                            • johncorrigan
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 10358

                              Heading to the Hebrides at the weekend for a couple of weeks, thinking of favourite places, and ended up recalling this piece from Norman MacCaig.

                              Two men at once

                              In the Culag Bar a fiddler is playing
                              fast-rippling tunes with easy dexterity.

                              How do I know? I’m in Edinburgh.

                              On the pier, sun-scorched tourists
                              hang their bellies over improbable shorts.

                              How do I know? I’m in Edinburgh.

                              In the Veyatie burn a man
                              hooks a trout. It starts rampaging.

                              And I’m in Edinburgh.

                              Or so I say. How easy to be
                              two men at once.

                              One smiling and drinking coffee
                              in Leamington Terrace, Edinburgh.

                              The other cutting the pack of memories
                              and turning up ace after ace after ace.

                              Norman MacCaig

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                              • Bella Kemp
                                Full Member
                                • Aug 2014
                                • 463

                                Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                                Thanks John and Bella for those Carver poems, which I have enjoyed reading all over again. They reminded me that I also enjoyed another American poet around the same time, and I have dug one up just for you!

                                Nightclub

                                You are so beautiful and I am a fool
                                to be in love with you
                                is a theme that keeps coming up
                                in songs and poems.
                                There seems to be no room for variation.
                                I have never heard anyone sing
                                I am so beautiful
                                and you are a fool to be in love with me,
                                even though this notion has surely
                                crossed the minds of women and men alike.
                                You are so beautiful, too bad you are a fool
                                is another one you don't hear.
                                Or, you are a fool to consider me beautiful.
                                That one you will never hear, guaranteed.

                                For no particular reason this afternoon
                                I am listening to Johnny Hartman
                                whose dark voice can curl around
                                the concepts of love, beauty, and foolishness
                                like no one else's can.
                                It feels like smoke curling up from a cigarette
                                someone left burning on a baby grand piano
                                around three o'clock in the morning;

                                smoke that billows up into the bright lights
                                while out there in the darkness
                                some of the beautiful fools have gathered
                                around little tables to listen,
                                some with their eyes closed,
                                others leaning forward into the music
                                as if it were holding them up,
                                or twirling the loose ice in a glass,
                                slipping by degrees into a rhythmic dream.

                                Yes, there is all this foolish beauty,
                                borne beyond midnight,
                                that has no desire to go home,
                                especially now when everyone in the room
                                is watching the large man with the tenor sax
                                that hangs from his neck like a golden fish.
                                He moves forward to the edge of the stage
                                and hands the instrument down to me
                                and nods that I should play.
                                So I put the mouthpiece to my lips
                                and blow into it with all my living breath.
                                We are all so foolish,
                                my long bebop solo begins by saying,
                                so damn foolish
                                we have become beautiful without even knowing it.

                                Billy Collins from The Art of Drowning 1995

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCEl4FGVR7I
                                Thank you! - and apologies that I have only just noticed this. It is a very fine poem by a poet unknown to me.

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