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  • vinteuil
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 12927

    #16
    There was a Boy; ye knew him well, ye cliffs
    And islands of Winander! many a time,
    At evening, when the earliest stars began
    To move along the edges of the hills,
    Rising or setting, would he stand alone,
    Beneath the trees, or by the glimmering lake;
    And there, with fingers interwoven, both hands
    Pressed closely palm to palm and to his mouth
    Uplifted, he, as through an instrument,
    Blew mimic hootings to the silent owls
    That they might answer him.—And they would shout
    Across the watery vale, and shout again,
    Responsive to his call,—with quivering peals,
    And long halloos, and screams, and echoes loud
    Redoubled and redoubled; concourse wild
    Of jocund din! And, when there came a pause
    Of silence such as baffled his best skill:
    Then, sometimes, in that silence, while he hung
    Listening, a gentle shock of mild surprise
    Has carried far into his heart the voice
    Of mountain-torrents; or the visible scene
    Would enter unawares into his mind
    With all its solemn imagery, its rocks,
    Its woods, and that uncertain heaven received
    Into the bosom of the steady lake.

    ... or, for those of an HIPP persuasion, here is the original manuscript version:

    There was a boy ye knew him well, ye rocks
    And islands of Winander & ye green
    Peninsulas of Esthwaite many a time
    When the stars began
    To move along the edges of the hills
    Rising or setting would he stand alone
    Beneath the trees or by the glimmering lakes
    And through his fingers woven in one close knot
    Blow mimic hootings to the silent owls
    And bid them answer him. And they would shout
    Across the wat'ry vale & shout again
    Responsive to my call with tremulous sobs
    And long halloos & screams & echoes loud
    Redoubled & redoubled a wild scene
    Of mirth & jocund din. And when it chanced
    That pauses of deep silence mocked my skill
    Then, often, in that silence while I hung
    Listening a sudden shock of mild surprize
    Would carry far into my heart the voice
    Of mountain torrents: or the visible scene
    Would enter unawares into my mind
    With all its solemn imagery its rocks
    Its woods & that uncertain heaven received
    Into the bosom of the steady lake . . .





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    Last edited by vinteuil; 06-01-14, 15:46.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #17
      Terrific contributions - I knew neither the Sassoon (intellectually sharp and venomously incisive - no doubt too "left-wing academic" for some right-wing anti-academic minds. perhaps?) nor the Wyatt (in fact, his They flee from me who sometime did me seek is the only poem of his I do: wasn't he a cousin of Anne Boleyn and one of those executed for his "treacherous" incestuous relationship with her?). I'm more at home with The Prelude, and I'm glad Wordsworth has made an appearance.

      Any more for any more?
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • edashtav
        Full Member
        • Jul 2012
        • 3671

        #18
        Music's duel

        Richard Crashaw's extended poem "Music's Duel": the duel's between a lutenist and a nightingale is a tour de force. In the BBC's "high-minded" days it, too, staged a duel with Beatrice Harrison playing 'cello to a backing choir of the birds in her county garden.

        MUSIC'S DUEL
        Richard Crashaw


        NOW westward Sol had spent the richest beams
        Of noon's high glory, when, hard by the streams
        Of Tiber, on the scene of a green plat,
        Under protection of an oak, there sat
        A sweet lute's master : in whose gentle airs
        He lost the day's heat, and his own hot cares.
        Close in the covert of the leaves there stood
        A nightingale, come from the neighbouring wood :—
        The sweet inhabitant of each glad tree,
        Their muse, their Syren, harmless Syren she,—
        There stood she list'ning, and did entertain
        The music's soft report, and mould the same
        In her own murmurs, that what ever mood
        His curious fingers lent, her voice made good.
        The man preceived his rival, and her art ;
        Disposed to give the light-foot lady sport,
        Awakes his lute, and 'gainst the fight to come
        Informs it, in a sweet præludium
        Of closer strains ; and ere the war begin
        He slightly skirmishes on every string,
        Charged with a flying touch ; and staightway she
        Carves out her dainty voice as readily
        Into a thousand sweet distinguish'd tones :
        And reckons up in soft divisions
        Quick volumes of wild notes, to let him know
        By that shrill taste she could do something too.
        His nimble hand's instinct then taught each string
        A cap'ring cheerfulness ; and made them sing
        To their own dance ; now negligently rash
        He throws his arm, and with a long-drawn dash
        Blends all together, then distinctly trips
        From this to that, then, quick returning, skips
        And snatches this again, and pauses there.
        She measures every measure, everywhere
        Meets art with art ; sometimes, as if in doubt—
        Not perfect yet, and fearing to be out—
        Trails her plain ditty in one long-spun note
        Through the sleek passage of her open throat :
        A clear unwrinkled song ; then doth she point it
        With tender accents, and severely joint it
        By short diminutives, that, being rear'd
        In controverting warbles evenly shared,
        With her sweet self she wrangles ; he, amazed
        That from so small a channel should be raised
        The torrent of a voice, whose melody
        Could melt into such sweet variety,
        Strains higher yet, that tickled with rare art
        The tattling strings—each breathing in his part—
        Most kindly do fall out ; the grumbling base
        In surly groans disdains the treble's grace ;
        The high-perch'd treble chirps at this, and chides
        Until his finger—moderator—hides
        And closes the sweet quarrel, rousing all,
        Hoarse, shrill, at once : as when the trumpets call
        Hot Mars to th' harvest of death's field, and woo
        Men's hearts into their hands ; this lesson, too,
        She gives him back, her supple breast thrills out
        Sharp airs, and staggers in a warbling doubt
        Of dallying sweetness, hovers o'er her skill,
        And folds in waved notes, with a trembling bill,
        The pliant series of her slippery song ;
        Then starts she suddenly into a throng
        Of short thick sobs, whose thundring volleys float
        And roll themselves over her lubric throat
        In panting murmurs, 'still'd out of her breast,
        That ever-bubbling spring, the sugar'd nest
        Of her delicious soul, that there does lie
        Bathing in streams of liquid melody,—
        Music's best seed-plot ; when in ripen'd airs
        A golden-headed harvest fairly rears
        His honey-dropping tops, plough'd by her breath,
        Which there reciprocally laboureth.
        In that sweet soil it seems a holy quire
        Founded to th' name of great Apollo's lyre ;
        Whose silver roof rings with the sprightly notes
        Of sweet-lipp'd angel-imps, that swill their throats
        In cream of morning Helicon ; and then
        Prefer soft anthems to the ears of men,
        To woo them from their beds, still murmuring
        That men can sleep while they their matins sing ;—
        Most divine service ! whose so early lay
        Prevents the eyelids of the blushing day.
        There might you hear her kindle her soft voice
        In the close murmur of a sparkling noise,
        And lay the ground-work of her hopeful song ;
        Still keeping in the forward stream so long,
        Till a sweet whirlwind, striving to get out,
        Heaves her soft bosom, wanders round about,
        And makes a pretty earthquake in her breast ;
        Till the fledged notes at length forsake their nest,
        Fluttering in wanton shoals, and to the sky,
        Wing'd with their own wild echos, pratt'ling fly.
        She opes the floodgate, and lets loose a tide
        Of streaming sweetness, which in state doth ride
        On the waved back of every swelling strain,
        Rising and falling in a pompous train ;
        And while she thus discharges a shrill peal
        Of flashing airs, she qualifies their zeal
        With the cool epode of a graver note ;
        Thus high, thus low, as if her silver throat
        Would reach the brazen voice of war's hoarse bird ;
        Her little soul is ravish'd : and so pour'd
        Into loose ecstasies, that she is placed
        Above herself—music's enthusiast !
        Shame now and anger mixed a double stain
        In the musician's face ; yet once again,
        Mistress, I come. Now reach a strain, my lute,
        Above her mock, or be for ever mute ;
        Or tune a song of victory to me,
        Or to thyself sing thine own obsequy !
        So said, his hands sprightly as fire he flings,
        And with a quivering coyness tastes the strings :
        The sweet-lipp'd sisters, musically frighted,
        Singing their fears, are fearfully delighted :
        Trembling as when Apollo's golden hairs
        Are fann'd and frizzled in the wanton airs
        Of his own breath, which, married to his lyre,
        Doth tune the spheres, and make heaven's self look higher ;
        From this to that, from that to this, he flies,
        Feels music's pulse in all her arteries ;
        Caught in a net which there Apollo spreads,
        His fingers struggle with the vocal threads,
        Following those little rills, he sinks into
        A sea of Helicon : his hand does go
        Those parts of sweetness which with nectar drop,
        Softer than that which pants in Hebe's cup :
        The humourous strings expound his learnèd touch
        By various glosses ; now they seem to grutch,
        And murmur in a buzzing din, then gingle
        In shrill-tongued accents, striving to be single ;
        Every smooth turn, every delicious stroke,
        Gives life to some new grace : thus doth he invoke
        Sweetness by all her names ; thus, bravely thus—
        Fraught with a fury so harmonious—
        The lute's light Genius now does proudly rise,
        Heaved on the surges of swoll'n rhapsodies,
        Whose flourish, meteor-like, doth curl the air
        With flash of high-born fancies ; here and there
        Dancing in lofty measures, and anon
        Creeps on the soft touch of a tender tone,
        Whose trembling murmurs, melting in wild airs
        Runs to and fro, complaining his sweet cares ;
        Because those precious mysteries that dwell
        In music's ravish'd soul he dare not tell,
        But whisper to the world : thus do they vary
        Each string his note, as if they meant to carry
        Their master's blest soul, snatch'd out at his ears
        By a strong ecstacy, through all the spheres
        Of music's heaven ; and seat it there on high
        In th' empyræum of pure harmony.
        At length—after so long, so loud a strife
        Of all the strings, still breathing the best life
        Of blest variety, attending on
        His fingers' fairest revolution,
        In many a sweet rise, many as sweet a fall—
        A full-mouth'd diapason swallows all.
        This done, he lists what she would say to this ;
        And she, although her breath's late exercise
        Had dealt too roughly with her tender throat,
        Yet summons all her sweet powers for a note.
        Alas, in vain ! for while, sweet soul, she tries
        To measure all those wild diversities
        Of chatt'ring strings, by the small size of one
        Poor simple voice, raised in a natural tone,
        She fails ; and failing, grieves ; and grieving, dies ;—
        She dies, and leaves her life the victor's prize,
        Falling upon his lute. O, fit to have—
        That lived so sweetly—dead, so sweet a grave
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        • hedgehog

          #19
          I like this renga because it is of the now, for its ephemeral nature and gentle flow of images.


          Getting Used To Darkness


          Brief blue scatterings

          lighten the limbo

          at the end of the year

          *

          cold gates clunking

          mark the way in

          *

          the open water

          receives sun, breeze

          and a lone swan

          *
          getting used to darkness

          I know you are there

          *

          how even the body relaxes

          when you enter a house

          full of good people

          *

          Emma watched the pull

          to text back many times

          *

          fear’s sour taste –

          not having

          not being enough

          *

          we sit with the impossibility

          of nothing

          *

          these walls built from stone

          out of the fields

          they now enclose

          *

          two gardeners

          on their hands and knees

          *

          the bleached tree guards

          stake out a promise

          of soft glade and birdsong

          *

          crossed fingers behind your back

          won’t do it

          *
          spines on cacti

          fine and scarlet

          beneath dim light

          *

          grant me a spider’s skill

          her slow spun wheel

          *

          he listened

          with complete attention

          to the difficult guest

          *

          geese graze tight-in

          amongst the Cheviot ewes

          *

          dark clouds

          arced glow

          rippling at the shore

          *

          a rumour of snowdrops

          instead of first snow

          *

          the young oak

          have yet to learn

          to shed their leaf

          *

          two hundred kilos of salt

          awaiting the weather.



          A genius loci/parami renga
          on 29th December, 2013.


          Participants:

          Ajahn Abhinando, John Bower, Chandra Candiani, Linda France, Geoff Jackson, Linda Kent, Eileen Ridley, Tim Rubidge, Christine Taylor

          Last edited by french frank; 07-01-14, 09:10. Reason: Poster request, to tidy up

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          • johncorrigan
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 10407

            #20
            Many years ago on the Pilgrimage around the Island of Iona we stopped at the Machair gates on the stormy day and one of our number read this poem. He did not know who wrote it but I managed to get a copy from him which I keep to this day and read when I am on the West Coast of that wonderful place. It was years later reading the wonderful RS Thomas that I discovered the poem was by him.


            pilgrimages

            There is an island there is no going
            to but in a small boat, the way
            the saints went, travelling the gallery
            of the frightened faces of
            the long-drowned, munching the gravel
            of its beaches. So I have gone
            up the salt lane to the building
            with the stone altar, and the candles
            gone out, and kneeled and lifted
            my eyes to the furious gargoyle
            of the owl that is like a god
            gone small and resentful. There
            is no body in the stained window
            of the sky now. Am I too late?
            Were they too late also, those
            first pilgrims? He is such a fast
            God, always before us, and
            leaving as we arrive.

            There are those here
            not given to prayer, whose office
            is the blank sea that they say daily.
            What they listen to is not
            hymns, but the slow chemistry of the soil,
            that turns saints' bones into dust,
            dust to an irritant of the nostril.

            There is no time on this island.
            The swinging pendulum of the tide
            has no clock; the events
            are dateless. These people are not
            late or soon; they are just
            here, with only the one question
            to ask, which life answers
            by being in them. It is I
            who ask. Was the pilgrimage
            I made to come to my own
            self, to learn that, in times
            like these, and for one like me,
            God will never be plain and
            out there, but dark rather, and
            inexplicable, as though he were in here?

            "Pilgrimages" by R. S. Thomas

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            • Padraig
              Full Member
              • Feb 2013
              • 4250

              #21
              From Ten Glosses

              8 Moling's Gloss (from the Irish)

              Among my elders, I know better
              And frown on any carry-on;
              Among the brat-pack on the batter
              I'm taken for a younger man.

              10 A Norman Simile

              To be marvellously yourself like the river water
              Gerald of Wales says runs in Arklow harbour
              Even at high tide when you'd expect salt water

              S.H. Electric Light 2001

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              • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                Gone fishin'
                • Sep 2011
                • 30163

                #22
                JohnC - RST is amongst my very favourite poets; I think he may have been writing about Bardsey Island (Ynys Enlli) which he could see evry day when he was vicar at St Hwywn's Church in Aberdaron - probably the most beautiful church location imaginable. The church itself is lovely, too, and has a small corner devoted to its former vicar and his work (including Pilgrimages on display) - I've been to all Thomas' churches, but Eglwys Fach near Machynlleth (the one whose interior Thomas and his artist wife painted completely black!) has never yet been open when I've been there: 'tho' there's a prominent plaque outside the door letting everyone know that RST vicared there. I'm bound to come back to RST on this Thread, but for now, I'll let your choice make its resonance.

                EDIT: cross-posted with Padraig's glorious post, making it look as if I was ignoring or even snubbing it, which is certainly not the case.
                [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                • johncorrigan
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 10407

                  #23
                  Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                  JohnC - RST is amongst my very favourite poets; I think he may have been writing about Bardsey Island (Ynys Enlli) which he could see evry day when he was vicar at St Hwywn's Church in Aberdaron - probably the most beautiful church location imaginable. The church itself is lovely, too, and has a small corner devoted to its former vicar and his work (including Pilgrimages on display) - I've been to all Thomas' churches, but Eglwys Fach near Machynlleth (the one whose interior Thomas and his artist wife painted completely black!) has never yet been open when I've been there: 'tho' there's a prominent plaque outside the door letting everyone know that RST vicared there. I'm bound to come back to RST on this Thread, but for now, I'll let your choice make its resonance.
                  Thank you for this ferney. I'm ashamed to say that my knowledge of the geography of Wales is very restricted. I threw a googly at your information on Aberdaron and Bardsey/Enlli and found its history very interesting. This may be the inspiration for me and Mrs C to travel south for a change rather than north and west. Did he also write 'The Island' about Bardsey, do you know? I was stunned by this poem - an evocation of the mean God, who cannot be found easily, demands so much giving little in return, not the God with convenient packaging who can be lifted from a supermarket shelf. I've just gone and found my R.S. Thomas LP which has him standing with what I now assume to be Bardsey/Enlli in the background. I love to hear that far away voice reading his wonderful poems. Thanks again.
                  P.S. Just found the front cover

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                  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                    Gone fishin'
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 30163

                    #24
                    Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
                    Did he also write 'The Island' about Bardsey, do you know?
                    Probably - it comes from the 1972 collection H'm (a wonderful title - expressing the poet's characteristic scepticism about "pat" answers concerning the divine - the "supermarket shelf" aspect but also atheist/materialist oversimplifications - whilst also alluding to "Him") when he'd been at Aberdaron for four years - but there are so many "Holy Islands" (Bardsey, Iona, Caldey, Lindesfarne ... ) to which it is equally applicable.

                    I love the LP cover (a pleasant change to see a photo of RST not in "mad Bard" mode ("These photographers hang around for hours waiting for me to look odd, and then they print the ones where I look like a loony!") - I have the later collection (on three Cassette tapes) of RST reading a significant section of his output. Wonderful voice.
                    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                    • johncorrigan
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 10407

                      #25
                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      - but there are so many "Holy Islands" (Bardsey, Iona, Caldey, Lindesfarne ... ) to which it is equally applicable.
                      I think that is what drew me to 'Pilgrimages' in the first place - it seems to talk of so many places, for me on the West Coast of Scotland in particular - no romance here - this is a hard God - 'always before us, and leaving as we arrive'.
                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      I love the LP cover (a pleasant change to see a photo of RST not in "mad Bard" mode ("These photographers hang around for hours waiting for me to look odd, and then they print the ones where I look like a loony!") - I have the later collection (on three Cassette tapes) of RST reading a significant section of his output. Wonderful voice.
                      Yes indeed ferney - as I trawled through the images of RST looking for the LP cover I realised that most had tried to capture the grouch. Yet he writes with such love, such observation. He beautifies the way of life without romanticising it. When reading the material about Bardsley I came upon this tribute he wrote about one of his former parishioners.

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                      • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                        Gone fishin'
                        • Sep 2011
                        • 30163

                        #26
                        Lovely memoir from RST, JohnC - the more I read of his relationships with people (well, at least with some people) the more I believe that the public persona he presented was armour, protecting himself from his shyness. And the media loved it: a symbiotic relationship that kept the private man private. A wicked sense of humour, too, by all accounts - one of the self-appointed custodians of society in Eglwys Fach once tried to impress the vicar by telling him "My great-grandfather fell at Waterloo, I'll have you know!", to which the poet replied "Oh, I'm so sorry. Which platform was it?")


                        Coming back to Hedgehog's #19 - I've read this a few times now, finding it compulsively haunting: gentle and evocative, the syntax and signifiers running in parallel (and so never quite "meeting"), so that "meaning" shimmers in and out of focus - a bit Feldmanesque in its combination of the eerie and the beguiling.


                        Completely different in tone is this comic masterpiece by e e cummings - imagine a (very) drunk white man at the time of the Vietnam War talking aloud at anyone who happens to be near him:

                        ygUDuh

                        yguDuh
                        ydoan
                        yunnuhstan
                        ydoan o
                        yunnuhstand dem
                        yguduh ged
                        yunnuhstan dem doidee
                        yguduh ged riduh
                        ydoan o nudn

                        LISN bud LISN

                        dem
                        gud
                        am
                        lidl yelluh bas
                        tuds weer goin
                        duhSIVILEYEzum
                        [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                        • aeolium
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 3992

                          #27
                          Many thanks to ferney for starting this thread and to all its contributors. My two offerings are I fear perhaps too well known but anyway:

                          1) The Battle of Brunanburh, the Old English poem from the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle. It's too long to quote here, and in any case I can't help feeling that any translation somehow emasculates the verse (if that's not too strong a word). But here is imo a good reading in the original language (with a scrolling translation) that brings out the tonal colours and alliteration:

                          This is a native language reading of the epic poem, The Battle of Brunanburh, composed in the 10th century and found in the Anglo Saxon Chronicle. It is the ...


                          2) Written almost exactly a thousand years after that Anglo-Saxon battle was Yeats' panegyric to the regenerative power of art in the face of destruction and catastrophe, Lapis Lazuli, one of the most wonderful of lyric poems and one of those texts which appear so "right" in every syllable and cadence that it creates the illusion that its author heard it complete. And the poem only came about because Yeats received a birthday gift of a carved lapis lazuli stone from Harry Clifton (take a bow that man):

                          I have heard that hysterical women say
                          They are sick of the palette and fiddle-bow,
                          Of poets that are always gay,
                          For everybody knows or else should know
                          That if nothing drastic is done
                          Aeroplane and Zeppelin will come out,
                          Pitch like King Billy bomb-balls in
                          Until the town lie beaten flat.

                          All perform their tragic play,
                          There struts Hamlet, there is Lear,
                          That's Ophelia, that Cordelia;
                          Yet they, should the last scene be there,
                          The great stage curtain about to drop,
                          If worthy their prominent part in the play,
                          Do not break up their lines to weep.
                          They know that Hamlet and Lear are gay;
                          Gaiety transfiguring all that dread.
                          All men have aimed at, found and lost;
                          Black out; Heaven blazing into the head:
                          Tragedy wrought to its uttermost.
                          Though Hamlet rambles and Lear rages,
                          And all the drop-scenes drop at once
                          Upon a hundred thousand stages,
                          It cannot grow by an inch or an ounce.

                          On their own feet they came, or on shipboard,
                          Camel-back, horse-back, ass-back, mule-back,
                          Old civilisations put to the sword.
                          Then they and their wisdom went to rack:
                          No handiwork of Callimachus,
                          Who handled marble as if it were bronze,
                          Made draperies that seemed to rise
                          When sea-wind swept the corner, stands:
                          His long lamp-chimney shaped like the stem
                          Of a slender palm, stood but a day;
                          All things fall and are built again,
                          And those that build them again are gay.

                          Two Chinamen, behind them a third,
                          Are carved in lapis lazuli,
                          Over them flies a long-legged bird,
                          A symbol of longevity;
                          The third, doubtless a serving-man,
                          Carries a musical instrument.

                          Every discoloration of the stone,
                          Every accidental crack or dent,
                          Seems a water-course or an avalanche,
                          Or lofty slope where it still snows
                          Though doubtless plum or cherry-branch
                          Sweetens the little half-way house
                          Those Chinamen climb towards, and I
                          Delight to imagine them seated there;
                          There, on the mountain and the sky,
                          On all the tragic scene they stare.
                          One asks for mournful melodies;
                          Accomplished fingers begin to play.
                          Their eyes mid many wrinkles, their eyes,
                          Their ancient, glittering eyes, are gay.

                          Sadly I know of no recording of this poem by Yeats himself, but here are recordings of him reading three other poems in that inimitable voice:

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                          • mangerton
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 3346

                            #28
                            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                            Lovely memoir from RST, JohnC - the more I read of his relationships with people (well, at least with some people) the more I believe that the public persona he presented was armour, protecting himself from his shyness. And the media loved it: a symbiotic relationship that kept the private man private. A wicked sense of humour, too, by all accounts - one of the self-appointed custodians of society in Eglwys Fach once tried to impress the vicar by telling him "My great-grandfather fell at Waterloo, I'll have you know!", to which the poet replied "Oh, I'm so sorry. Which platform was it?")


                            Coming back to Hedgehog's #19 - I've read this a few times now, finding it compulsively haunting: gentle and evocative, the syntax and signifiers running in parallel (and so never quite "meeting"), so that "meaning" shimmers in and out of focus - a bit Feldmanesque in its combination of the eerie and the beguiling.


                            Completely different in tone is this comic masterpiece by e e cummings - imagine a (very) drunk white man at the time of the Vietnam War talking aloud at anyone who happens to be near him:

                            ygUDuh

                            Goodness! I haven't seen that since my school days.

                            Not from the classroom; one of my housemates had it pinned on his study wall, together with this:

                            Sometime During Eternity . . .
                            BY LAWRENCE FERLINGHETTI


                            Sometime during eternity
                            some guys show up
                            and one of them
                            who shows up real late
                            is a kind of carpenter
                            from some square-type place
                            like Galilee
                            and he starts wailing
                            and claiming he is hip
                            to who made heaven
                            and earth
                            and that the cat
                            who really laid it on us
                            is his Dad

                            And moreover
                            he adds
                            It’s all writ down
                            on some scroll-type parchments
                            which some henchmen
                            leave lying around the Dead Sea somewheres
                            a long time ago
                            and which you won’t even find
                            for a coupla thousand years or so
                            or at least for
                            nineteen hundred and fortyseven
                            of them
                            to be exact
                            and even then
                            nobody really believes them
                            or me
                            for that matter
                            You’re hot
                            they tell him
                            And they cool him

                            They stretch him on the Tree to cool

                            And everybody after that
                            is always making models
                            of this Tree
                            with Him hung up
                            and always crooning His name
                            and calling Him to come down
                            and sit in
                            on their combo
                            as if he is the king cat
                            who’s got to blow
                            or they can’t quite make it

                            Only he don’t come down
                            from His Tree
                            Him just hang there
                            on His Tree
                            looking real Petered out
                            and real cool
                            and also
                            according to a roundup
                            of late world news
                            from the usual unreliable sources
                            real dead

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                            • Tevot
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1011

                              #29
                              Yes Mangerton - the Cummings and Ferlinghetti featured in a poetry anthology we had at school in the early 1980s. For the life of me I can't remember the title of it. But anyway. Here are two more poems. The first by Ferlinghetti and the second by Robert Lowell.

                              The World Is a Beautiful Place



                              The world is a beautiful place
                              to be born into
                              if you don't mind happiness
                              not always being
                              so very much fun
                              if you don't mind a touch of hell
                              now and then
                              just when everything is fine
                              because even in heaven
                              they don't sing
                              all the time

                              The world is a beautiful place
                              to be born into
                              if you don't mind some people dying
                              all the time
                              or maybe only starving
                              some of the time
                              which isn't half bad
                              if it isn't you

                              Oh the world is a beautiful place
                              to be born into
                              if you don't much mind
                              a few dead minds
                              in the higher places
                              or a bomb or two
                              now and then
                              in your upturned faces
                              or such other improprieties
                              as our Name Brand society
                              is prey to
                              with its men of distinction
                              and its men of extinction
                              and its priests
                              and other patrolmen

                              and its various segregations
                              and congressional investigations
                              and other constipations
                              that our fool flesh
                              is heir to

                              Yes the world is the best place of all
                              for a lot of such things as
                              making the fun scene
                              and making the love scene
                              and making the sad scene
                              and singing low songs and having inspirations
                              and walking around
                              looking at everything
                              and smelling flowers
                              and goosing statues
                              and even thinking
                              and kissing people and
                              making babies and wearing pants
                              and waving hats and
                              dancing
                              and going swimming in rivers
                              on picnics
                              in the middle of the summer
                              and just generally
                              'living it up'
                              Yes
                              but then right in the middle of it
                              comes the smiling

                              mortician


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                              For the Union Dead



                              Relinquunt Ommia Servare Rem Publicam.

                              The old South Boston Aquarium stands
                              in a Sahara of snow now. Its broken windows are boarded.
                              The bronze weathervane cod has lost half its scales.
                              The airy tanks are dry.

                              Once my nose crawled like a snail on the glass;
                              my hand tingled to burst the bubbles
                              drifting from the noses of the cowed, compliant fish.

                              My hand draws back. I often sign still
                              for the dark downward and vegetating kingdom
                              of the fish and reptile. One morning last March,
                              I pressed against the new barbed and galvanized

                              fence on the Boston Common. Behind their cage,
                              yellow dinosaur steamshovels were grunting
                              as they cropped up tons of mush and grass
                              to gouge their underworld garage.

                              Parking spaces luxuriate like civic
                              sandpiles in the heart of Boston.
                              a girdle of orange, Puritan-pumpkin colored girders
                              braces the tingling Statehouse,

                              shaking over the excavations, as it faces Colonel Shaw
                              and his bell-cheeked Negro infantry
                              on St. Gaudens' shaking Civil War relief,
                              propped by a plank splint against the garage's earthquake.

                              Two months after marching through Boston,
                              half of the regiment was dead;
                              at the dedication,
                              William James could almost hear the bronze Negroes breathe.

                              Their monument sticks like a fishbone
                              in the city's throat.
                              Its Colonel is as lean
                              as a compass-needle.

                              He has an angry wrenlike vigilance,
                              a greyhound's gentle tautness;
                              he seems to wince at pleasure,
                              and suffocate for privacy.

                              He is out of bounds now. He rejoices in man's lovely,
                              peculiar power to choose life and die-
                              when he leads his black soldiers to death,
                              he cannot bend his back.

                              On a thousand small town New England greens
                              the old white churches hold their air
                              of sparse, sincere rebellion; frayed flags
                              quilt the graveyards of the Grand Army of the Republic

                              The stone statutes of the abstract Union Soldier
                              grow slimmer and younger each year-
                              wasp-waisted, they doze over muskets
                              and muse through their sideburns…

                              Shaw's father wanted no monument
                              except the ditch,
                              where his son's body was thrown
                              and lost with his 'niggers.'

                              The ditch is nearer.
                              There are no statutes for the last war here;
                              on Boylston Street, a commercial photograph
                              shows Hiroshima boiling

                              over a Mosler Safe, the 'Rock of Ages'
                              that survived the blast. Space is nearer.
                              when I crouch to my television set,
                              the drained faces of Negro school-children rise like balloons.

                              Colonel Shaw
                              is riding on his bubble,
                              he waits
                              for the blessed break.

                              The Aquarium is gone. Everywhere,
                              giant finned cars nose forward like fish;
                              a savage servility
                              slides by on grease.

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                              • johncorrigan
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 10407

                                #30
                                Thanks Tevot - I had never read these poems - I was interested to read in Wikipedia about the inscription by Charles W. Eliot on the rear of the Robert Gould Shaw Memorial:

                                'The White Officers taking life and honor in their hands cast in their lot with men of a despised race unproven in war and risked death as inciters of servile insurrection if taken prisoners besides encountering all the common perils of camp march and battle. The Black rank and file volunteered when disaster clouded the Union Cause. Served without pay for eighteen months till given that of white troops. Faced threatened enslavement if captured. Were brave in action. Patient under heavy and dangerous labors. And cheerful amid hardships and privations. Together they gave to the Nation and the World undying proof that Americans of African descent possess the pride, courage and devotion of the patriot soldier. One hundred and eighty thousand such Americans enlisted under the Union Flag in MDCCCLXIII-MDCCCLXV.'

                                I was left wondering if it is still the case that as Lowell says 'Their monument sticks like a fishbone
                                in the city's throat.'

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