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  • ardcarp
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11102

    Interesting R4 programme today at 4.30pm The Poet and the Murderer

    A gripping true story of poetry, murder and the art of forgery.


    ...all about an Emily Dickinson forgery.

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    • johncorrigan
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 10493

      Wendy Cope was celebrating her hero, John Clare, on Great Lives today. Started with this one that she wrote twenty years back.

      John Clare

      John Clare, last night I cried
      For you--your grass-green coat,
      Your oddness, others' spite,
      Your fame, enjoyed and lost,
      Your gift, and what it cost.

      Awake in the early hours,
      I heard you with my eyes,
      Carolling woods and showers.
      As if a songbird's throat
      Could utter words, you wrote.

      I listened late and long--
      Each clear, true, loving note
      Placed justly in its song.
      Sometimes for sheer delight,
      John Clare, I cried last night.

      Wendy Cope

      Matthew Parris talks to Wendy Cope about her poetic hero John Clare. From 2015.

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      • ardcarp
        Late member
        • Nov 2010
        • 11102

        Good programme all round.

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        • Padraig
          Full Member
          • Feb 2013
          • 4269

          Two short poems from a poet new to me: Jean Bleakney.

          In Praise of Cinquefoils

          He loves me he loves me not
          is such a complicated plot.
          How fickle petals are, how long
          they sometimes take...then get it wrong.

          If time is short and love is true
          daisies aren't the flowers for you.
          Take this botanical advice:
          Buttercups are loaded dice.

          The Ripple Tank Experiment LaganPress Belfast 1999



          Justification

          There is inherent productivity
          in gardening left undone. Lawns
          unmown preordain seed sown.
          Shrubs, given their head, need
          less upkeep than a rose bed.
          A seedling ash or sycamore
          unculled, is winter's perch
          and summer's parasol. Leaves,
          left where they fall, garner
          and gird. Tree surgeons, hedge-
          trimmers consider the birds!
          Neglect yields manifold bowers.
          Why, even nettles have flowers.

          Ions Lagan Press Belfast 2011
          Last edited by Padraig; 27-05-15, 16:13.

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          • Padraig
            Full Member
            • Feb 2013
            • 4269

            I'll try another pair from the same sources.

            This one is for f f , a lover of words and flowers , probably, but not necessarily, in that order.

            A Rose By Any Other
            'Taxonomists have agreed to revert to using the name chrysanthemum'
            - Gardening Which? November 1997.

            Re-classifying Tricuspidaria lanceolata
            as Crinodendron hookerianum
            was no big deal.

            It's only ever known as
            the Lantern Tree (not to be confused
            with Chinese Lantern Physalis alkekengii)

            Even Lithospermum's demise
            - subsumed by Lithodora-
            hardly caused a ripple

            But then
            (let's put it down
            to pre-millennial cockiness)
            those flower-crazed taxonomists
            decided on Dendranthema-
            until, that is, appropriately in autumn,
            some lover of words among them thought
            Imagine a world with no chrysanthemums...

            Jean Bleakney 1999

            ps - I'm typed out after that. Part two will follow soon.

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            • Padraig
              Full Member
              • Feb 2013
              • 4269

              Part two.

              From words to no words. Another -ion poem

              Salutation

              Beyond B-roads - beyond Belcoo, say, or Ardara
              there's a gesture, driver to driver. Pity the nonplussed stranger
              who wonders at first...mistaken identity? a warning maybe
              Mind the pothole! There's a bullock loose! Go easy,
              Tommy's up ahead with the back rake!
              Too casual
              for that. Only the paranoid would register a subliminal
              we've got your number. By the third such encounter
              the stranger is attuned as automatic as full beam. Beyond
              submissiveness and the politesse of tight roads,
              it's a civility slipped into easily, that forefinger
              lazily raised: it's quaint Howya doin'? I'm doin' grand.

              Jean Bleakney 2011

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              • Padraig
                Full Member
                • Feb 2013
                • 4269

                Paul Durcan

                Praise in Which I Live and Breathe and Have my Being

                Harvill Secker 2012

                I have a spare copy of this volume if anyone would like to have it as a present.
                Here is a poem from it.

                Staring Out the Window Three Weeks after his Death

                On the last day of his life as he lay comatose in the hospital bed
                I saw that his soul was a hare that was poised
                In the long grass of his body, ears pricked.
                It sprang towards me and halted and I wondered if it
                Could hear me breathing
                Or if it could smell my own fear, which was,
                Could he have but known it, greater than his
                For plainly he was a just and playful man
                And just and playful men are as brave as they are rare.
                Then his cancer-eroded body appeared to shudder
                As if a gust of wind blew through the long grass
                And the hare of his soul made a U-turn
                And began bounding away from me
                Until it disappeared from sight into a dark wood
                And I thought - that is the end of that,
                I will not be seeing him again.
                He died in front of me; no one else was in the room.
                My eyes teemed with tears; I could not damp them down.
                I stood up to walk around his bed
                Only to catch sight again of the hare of his soul
                Springing out of the wood into a beachy cove of sunlight
                And I thought; Yes. that is how it is going to be from now on.
                The hare of his soul always there, when I least expect it;
                Popping up out of nowhere, sitting still.

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                • Tevot
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1011

                  Hello there Padraig,

                  Many thanks for the Paul Durcan poem above...

                  Here's one by Seamus Heaney:-



                  In memoriam Francis Ledwidge
                  Killed in France 31 July 1917

                  ---------------------------------------------------------

                  The bronze soldier hitches a bronze cape
                  That crumples stiffly in imagined wind
                  No matter how the real winds buff and sweep
                  His sudden hunkering run, forever craned

                  Over Flanders. Helmet and haversack,
                  The gun’s firm slope from butt to bayonet,
                  The loyal, fallen names on the embossed plaque –
                  It all meant little to the worried pet

                  I was in nineteen forty-six or seven,
                  Gripping my Aunt Mary by the hand
                  Along the Portstewart prom, then round the crescent
                  To thread the Castle Walk out to the strand.

                  The pilot from Coleraine sailed to the coal-boat.
                  Courting couples rose out of the scooped dunes.
                  A farmer stripped to his studs and shiny waistcoat
                  Rolled the trousers down on his timid shins.

                  At night when coloured bulbs strung out the sea-front
                  Country voices rose from a cliff-top shelter
                  With news of a great litter – “We’ll pet the runt!” -
                  And barbed wire that had torn a friesian’s elder.

                  Francis Ledwidge, you courted at the seaside
                  Beyond Drogheda one Sunday afternoon.
                  Literary, sweet-talking, countrified,
                  You pedalled out the leafy road from Slane.

                  Where you belonged, among the dolorous
                  And lovely: the May altar of wild flowers,
                  Easter water sprinkled in outhouses,
                  Mass-rocks and hill-top raths and raftered byres.

                  I think of you in your Tommy’s uniform,
                  A haunted Catholic face, pallid and brave,
                  Ghosting the trenches with a bloom of hawthorn
                  Or silence cored from a Boyne passage-grave.

                  It’s summer, nineteen-fifteen. I see the girl
                  My aunt was then, herding on the long acre.
                  Behind a low bush in the Dardanelles
                  You suck stones to make your dry mouth water.

                  It’s nineteen-seventeen. She still herds cows,
                  But a big strafe puts the candles out in Ypres:
                  ‘My soul is by the Boyne, cutting new meadows…
                  My country wears her confirmation dress.’

                  ‘To be called a British soldier while my country
                  Has no place among nations…’ You were rent
                  By shrapnel six weeks later. ‘I am sorry
                  That party politics should divide our tents.’

                  In you, our dead enigma, all the strains
                  Criss-cross in useless equilibrium
                  And as the wind tunes through this vigilant bronze
                  I hear again the sure confusing drum

                  You followed from Boyne water to the Balkans
                  But miss the twilit note your flute should sound.
                  You were not keyed or pitched like these true-blue ones
                  Though all of you consort now underground.

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                  • johncorrigan
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 10493

                    Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                    Paul Durcan


                    Staring Out the Window Three Weeks after his Death

                    .
                    Thank you for that Padraig. Yesterday me and Mrs C turned a bend on the country track and an enormous hare lay ears flattened against its head in the short grass. We expected at any moment, for we had both seen it, that it would take off, perhaps towards us followed by the sudden U-turn...but it lay long after we passed, still, and we continued glancing over our shoulder till it was out of sight. It could be there yet for all I know.
                    How wonderfully Paul Durcan expresses the soul in the poem, that we think gone, but which pops up out of nowhere often when we least expect it.

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                    • Tevot
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1011

                      Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
                      Thank you for that Padraig. Yesterday me and Mrs C turned a bend on the country track and an enormous hare lay ears flattened against its head in the short grass. We expected at any moment, for we had both seen it, that it would take off, perhaps towards us followed by the sudden U-turn...but it lay long after we passed, still, and we continued glancing over our shoulder till it was out of sight. It could be there yet for all I know.
                      How wonderfully Paul Durcan expresses the soul in the poem, that we think gone, but which pops up out of nowhere often when we least expect it.
                      Magnificently put Sir

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                      • Padraig
                        Full Member
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 4269

                        Originally posted by Tevot View Post
                        Magnificently put Sir
                        I would have said that, Tevot, if you had not beaten me to it.

                        Similarly, John, your response could well have been the trigger for your own poem if only Paul Durcan had not anticipated you. Or rather that your experience and your wife's added to Durcan's poem which in turn confirmed the value of your thoughts. Or something.

                        I really appreciated the Francis Ledwidge poem, Tevot; it is so long since I last read it. It's from Field Work, 1979, which I have surprisingly retrieved from my 'bookcase' and which I am now re-reading. Isn't it strange how a poetry book, or a cd, can disappear for a long time and come up fresh and new; like the hare, unexpectedly.
                        Last edited by Padraig; 27-06-15, 17:58. Reason: punctuation

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                        • Beef Oven!
                          Ex-member
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 18147

                          Rudyard Kipling

                          The Stranger within my gate,
                          He may be true or kind,
                          But he does not talk my talk--
                          I cannot feel his mind.
                          I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
                          But not the soul behind.

                          The men of my own stock,
                          They may do ill or well,
                          But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
                          They are used to the lies I tell;
                          And we do not need interpreters
                          When we go to buy or sell.

                          The Stranger within my gates,
                          He may be evil or good,
                          But I cannot tell what powers control--
                          What reasons sway his mood;
                          Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
                          Shall repossess his blood.

                          The men of my own stock,
                          Bitter bad they may be,
                          But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
                          And see the things I see;
                          And whatever I think of them and their likes
                          They think of the likes of me.

                          This was my father's belief
                          And this is also mine:
                          Let the corn be all one sheaf--
                          And the grapes be all one vine,
                          Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
                          By bitter bread and wine.

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                            Isn't it strange how a poetry book, or a cd, can disappear for a long time and come up fresh and new, like the hare, unexpectedly.


                            (But not if one "downsizes" to "save space" or whatever. Never enough! )


                            Many, many thanks to everyone for all the recent, wonderful contributions
                            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                            • Padraig
                              Full Member
                              • Feb 2013
                              • 4269

                              Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                              Paul Durcan

                              Praise in Which I Live and Breathe and Have my Being

                              Harvill Secker 2012

                              I have a spare copy of this volume if anyone would like to have it as a present.
                              I have an offer to accept this volume, and I would like to forward the book to that person. However, though I can accept and read private messages through the forum, I don't seem to be able to send them. Therefore I would ask that person to send me another PM with a forwarding address. Thanks, and apologies.

                              That is not a poem. Here is one from the said volume:

                              Toowoomba Father's Day Mystery Tour 2007

                              I am seventy-nine, not a pick on me,
                              A dairy farmer in Toowoomba.
                              Got all my gnashers still.
                              Finest town in Australia, Toowoomba.
                              The Garden City they call it.
                              Born there. I will die there.
                              At least I hope I will die there.
                              Here I am today in bloody Brisbane
                              All because to please a wife
                              I agreed to accompany her today
                              On the Toowoomba Father's Day Mystery Tour.

                              Up I was at 4 am - a Sunday morning for Christ's sake! -
                              To climb into a coach not knowing
                              Where I was going, to please a wife.
                              Mystery to me why I did it.
                              I ask you, man!
                              Where do I end up? In bloody Brisbane.
                              Squatting on a wall on the banks of the river
                              Looking at all that bloody water!
                              She's walked off in a stink on the boardwalk.
                              Where are you from anyway?
                              Ireland!
                              No offence, mate.
                              Tell you something for nothing, mate.
                              If I get back to Toowoomba tonight
                              I will never leave Toowoomba again
                              Not even if it's to please the hundred
                              thousand bloody wives of Osama
                              whatever his name is.
                              Enjoy your stay in Australia, mate.

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                              • johncorrigan
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 10493

                                Thanks Padraig. Here's a beautiful piece from the American Pulitzer Prize winning poet Mary Oliver that I was pointed towards recently.

                                When I Am Among the Trees

                                When I am among the trees,
                                especially the willows and the honey locust,
                                equally the beech, the oaks and the pines,
                                they give off such hints of gladness.
                                I would almost say that they save me, and daily.

                                I am so distant from the hope of myself,
                                in which I have goodness, and discernment,
                                and never hurry through the world
                                but walk slowly, and bow often.

                                Around me the trees stir in their leaves
                                and call out, "Stay awhile."
                                The light flows from their branches.

                                And they call again, "It's simple," they say,
                                "and you too have come
                                into the world to do this, to go easy, to be filled
                                with light, and to shine."

                                Mary Oliver

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