I agree that this was not a "proper" Reith lecture (and will admit that I have found some of the more traditional ones less than riveting over the years - more read-out treatises than lectures communicating to an audience). Grayson Perry was clearly surprised to be asked, describing himself as an "oik" and stating right at the start that he would be "playing to the gallery". He is so well known that people would have known anyway what to expect and were free to switch off. I did find it much more entertaining than many a Radio 4 feature and for me at least some new light was shed on the modern art market from a working artist's point of view. I am very interested to see where he goes next and unlike others, will not be giving up after one lecture.
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Saucer of milk ?Originally posted by eighthobstruction View PostMy goodness MrGG has written 3 paragraphs (that does not happen often
) ....must have touched a nerve....
I think there are there are lots of Musical Acts (taking a broad view of music) who cover the territory that Damien Hirst occupies in visualart (they are not as famous/ successful as DH, or as branded, or as long established and widely known....But I think DM is really just a visual comedian really, a mimic, a taker of the micky, there's the odd bit of deeper stuff, but really most of it irony and sarcasm that most people do not get ....WHATEVER, he has helped produce an appetite for looking at art, so we have that to thank him for....
....I have not given a list of these musical acts as my mind has gone blank....and many are ephemeral....and are not 'headliners'....
Nagativland , JOhn Oswald for a start ....... ALL music is surely by its nature "ephemeral"
Actually DH is (to my eyes anyway) a real traditionalist, not really a radical in terms of the content of the work though (like Mr Perry) has used his life as part of the theatre of what he does (like Dali, Duchamp, Gauguin etc etc etc )Comment
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I'd be interested to know who you'd put in that category and what the points of similarity might be, when your mind sheds its blankness.Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
(Genuine question: I don't know enough about modern music to have any idea.)Comment
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In a sense - but replicability is always there since the invention of notation.Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostComment
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HummmOriginally posted by jean View Post
I'm not sure if that's always the function of notation
or if notation facilitated replicability as opposed to transportability
but that's another discussion all together .....
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Why don't we just jump a few hundred years and get as far as MP3 players....they facilitated repeats surely....you may not be able to see it, but it's there; knee deep in digits....Originally posted by MrGongGong View PostHummm
I'm not sure if that's always the function of notation
or if notation facilitated replicability as opposed to transportability
but that's another discussion all together .....bong chingComment
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When The Artist was interviewed by Kirsty Wark on Newsnight recently she appeared in voluminous, head-to-toe black, looking less friendly, even slightly demonic. But when Kirsty asked her if she is a work of art the answer was "no".
She or Grayson could easily be a figure on one of Perry's Pots.Comment
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At the risk of displaying my ignorance of visual arts, which I freely admit, are you not saying really that DH is pretty much "just" a post modernist?Originally posted by eighthobstruction View PostMy goodness MrGG has written 3 paragraphs (that does not happen often) ....must have touched a nerve....
I think there are there are lots of Musical Acts (taking a broad view of music) who cover the territory that Damien Hirst occupies in visualart (they are not as famous/ successful as DH, or as branded, or as long established and widely known....But I think DM is really just a visual comedian really, a mimic, a taker of the micky, there's the odd bit of deeper stuff, but really most of it irony and sarcasm that most people do not get ....WHATEVER, he has helped produce an appetite for looking at art, so we have that to thank him for....
....I have not given a list of these musical acts as my mind has gone blank....and many are ephemeral....and are not 'headliners'....
Not sure where post modernism might fit in musical theory, history or understanding, other that in the pop worlds endless mining of anything at all from the past that might sell a few thousand copies, dressed up as pastiche, rediscovery,irony, eclecticism, or whatever?I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.Comment
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Not sure there (meaning I would have to re read a load of things to remember)Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
but there's plenty out there
I also remembered this
Which is interesting, not because it shows where things came from but (IMV) that there is considerable skill in creating a situation where you are perceived as the originator rather than the populariser. We can probably all think of examples of this in musicComment
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I knew, I just knew I should have kept my mouth shut.Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
How on earth am I supposed to find the time for all this stuff ?! spent the evening most informatively with the Serioso and Harp Quartets, (thanks to that coda thread) and a listening list as long as your arm !!
BTW, is the RFH organ functioning at all?
Thanks Gongers, appreciated.
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WOW. That is all. I think I really SHOULD have kept my mouth shut !!Last edited by teamsaint; 16-10-13, 21:22.I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
I am not a number, I am a free man.Comment
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The RFH organ is being tuned and voiced
and the launch fest is in March with some cracking stuff
including several new commissions ........and the Olivier Latry / Shin-Young Lee Rite of Spring transcription
Reading aesthetics takes rather a lot of your life so I seem to remember from being a student
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