Those like me in major part self-educated on the philosophy of art would have recognised that standard issues relating to presentation etc were being addressed to a general public assumed to be less aware or knowledgeable; the talk proceeded at sufficiently spanking a pace to assume a certain level of understanding - is a word such as "empiricism" generally understood? - and the audience's response to Perry's less in-house humour didn't suggest to me its actual composition. Look, we're all nice chaps, able to take the irony of our positions on the chin, like.
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Tapestries designed by GP.... end product created by computerised loom....bong chingComment
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... I think that for those like Serial Apologist and Eighth Obstruction ( ... and myself ) who may have been worriting about these issues for many decades - Grayson P's lecture will have brought "nothing new". We all know the questions, the evasions, the intractable contradictions. But lots of people haven't had to - haven't needed to, haven't chosen to - worrit about such things - and for them, i think, this will have been a refreshing and intelligent swoosh through the current landscape.
I thought it was great fun - and am looking forward to the rest of the series...Comment
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Actually Jean as you say you "don't understand the distinction"....if you are in a particular profession or have a particular interest, you hear of certain phrases/names/concepts/wrong notions/people/ institutions so regularly/so constantly that they become cliches (for want of a better or an other word as description) ....I'm sure music has many examples (short-hands)....bong chingComment
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I'm not an artist myself, but I'm surrounded by a family of them, so I am very familiar indeed with those phrases/names/concepts/wrong notions/people/ institutions that you characterise as clichés to the specialist though possibly not to those who've never thought about them before.Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
When I say I don't understand the distinction, I mean that I don't find it useful.
(I haven't discussed the lecture with my (artist) sister yet, but when I do I'll throw in the cliché bit for good measure.)Comment
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Platitudes - back in the Tracy Emin era male art dealers wearing their hair in plats became something of a cliche.Originally posted by eighthobstruction View Post
I can only think of ones that were around in the 1960s: if you were a Schoenberg advocate, it went without saying that you hated Stravinsky, being the first one that comes to my mind. Oh, and then there was the war between supporters of traditional and of modern jazz, and those who believed that only black people could sing or play blues authentically. Cliches? I'm not sure...I'm sure music has many examplesComment
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Considering that this is a Reith lecture, I find it quite disappointing. I’d never come across the speaker before but he sounded as if he knew exactly how to amuse the audience. His ‘humor’ was all rather obvious as if he knew that the audience was there to hear him rather than a lecture. Most of all, I don’t feel I have heard anything new or thought provoking. I may have missed something but I don’t think I’ll bother to listen again. Maybe I am out of touch but I like Reith lectures to be serious talks. There are plenty of other places for entertainment.Comment
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Yes yes yes etc etc but what was Grayson/Claire wearing tonight? And was it the perfect outfit for Radio? That's what REALLY matters.Comment
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That, in a way summarised it for meOriginally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
I was a little disappointed
sure he is articulate, funny, witty etc etc
But (and I didn't catch all of it ! so will have a listen ) in spite of the hype I didn't hear anything I hadn't heard before , a bit like the same material that's been doing the rounds for years BUT this time in a frock !
It's a tad Ironic (is that the right word ?) that he appears to be laughing at things (conceptualism, performance) with his fans joining in the "joke' while at the same time (and he is an intelligent man so i'm sure this is intended ) being what some might call 'performative' with his characters. So the fact that he likes to dress as a "woman" (in a cartoon sense) becomes the most significant thing about him , not what he makes in his art practice.
The fact that he has become a bit of a "National Treasure" diminishes what he has to say IMV
so that anytime there is anything about "Art" (and by that we ALL understand it to mean VISUAL art don't we ?) you know (like Lenny Henry and Shakespeare , Stephen Fry and more or less everything else ) he will be wheeled out to tell us, in a witty way, what it all means....... pandering a little to the "conspiracy theory" that we all know so well in relation to contemporary music.Comment
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I was a bit surprised the R word (rubbish) made an appearance when GP was asked what his own taste in contemporary art is. He answered something along the lines of 'I don't like most contemporary art - I think it's rubbish'. Not sure if that was tongue-in-cheek, or deliberately provocative, or sincere, or playing for laughs [it didn't get any]. The moment passed, it wasn't followed up. I guess if his own pots sell for £100,000+ each he wouldn't much care if anyone thought the same about his work.
I found it slightly more standup comedy than lecture - didn't the Reith lectures use to be without an audience ?Last edited by mercia; 16-10-13, 07:18.Comment
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The assumption that Art (unqualified) means Visual Art isn't confined to this set of Reith Lectures.Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
The differences between the production/reception of music and of visual art are so great that the two could hardly be discussed together - the fault lines between the 'serious' and the 'popular' are in quite different places, for example; there's no musical equivalent of the practice of a Damien Hirst.Comment
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I wonder if his mentioning concepts of 'worth' and 'value' in the context of 'good' art would be new to some people? It was interesting to hear Man-Booker prize winner Eleanor Catton (800+ pagesOriginally posted by doversoul View Post
) raising the same thoughts this morning.
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My goodness MrGG has written 3 paragraphs (that does not happen oftenOriginally posted by MrGongGong View Post
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I think there are there are lots of Musical Acts (taking a broad view of music) who cover the territory that Damien Hirst occupies in visualart (they are not as famous/ successful as DH, or as branded, or as long established and widely known....But I think DM is really just a visual comedian really, a mimic, a taker of the micky, there's the odd bit of deeper stuff, but really most of it irony and sarcasm that most people do not get ....WHATEVER, he has helped produce an appetite for looking at art, so we have that to thank him for....
....I have not given a list of these musical acts as my mind has gone blank....and many are ephemeral....and are not 'headliners'....bong chingComment
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