'David Starkey's Music and Monarchy'

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  • BBMmk2
    Late Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 20908

    Starkey sets out what he has to do. He's the expert, as far as historical facts goes and leaves the musicians to do their bit, which is a good thing. Agree with you there, ardcarp! Can.t wait for the next one!
    Don’t cry for me
    I go where music was born

    J S Bach 1685-1750

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    • MickyD
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 4756

      Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
      Between 1700 and 1703, Croft wrote overtures and incidental music to Courtship a la Mode, The Comedy Call'd the Funeral, The Twin Rivals and The Lying Lover.

      Courtship a la Mode here:

      "Playhouse Aires - 18th Century Theatre Music"Performed by The London Oboe BandComposed William Croft (1678 -- 1727)Directed by Paul GoodwinAyres in the Come...


      and

      "Playhouse Aires - 18th Century Theatre Music"Performed by The London Oboe BandComposed William Croft (1678 -- 1727)Directed by Paul GoodwinAyres in the Come...


      For his Oxford Doctorate he set two odes on the Peace of Utrecht which were published as Musicus Apparatus Academicus. I'm not sure if anyone has dug these out let alone performed them. A nice little project for the future?
      Definitely one for Peter Holman and Hyperion to explore, methinks! I'm enjoying their Croft CD as I write.

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      • Richard Tarleton

        I've been greatly enjoying this series - liked the first prog best, as a good Jacobite had to grit my teeth through the Hanoverians. See the Conquering Hero Comes for Fat Billy indeed (not so bad when it was transferred to the Duke of Wellington).

        S_A right re David Starkey's habit of interpreting the experts back to them not always working, but generally excellent expert presentation.

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        • Nick Armstrong
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 26533

          I'd never seen the final programme, on the 19th & 20th centuries - haven't finished it yet, but enjoyable so far (including some bits I didn't know about - I'd never heard of Walter Parratt ). Plus (as VD went on to comment in the post part-quoted below), seeing Starkey and David Owen Norris enthusing about Prince Albert's song accompaniments at V&A's gaudy Érard in Buckingham Palace was a little feast of eccentricity!

          Originally posted by VodkaDilc View Post
          Did DS really refer to Elgar as a northerner?
          Yes he did!
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • BBMmk2
            Late Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 20908

            My concentration must've lapsed as I don't remember that comment re Elgar!
            Don’t cry for me
            I go where music was born

            J S Bach 1685-1750

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            • Serial_Apologist
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 37678

              Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
              My concentration must've lapsed as I don't remember that comment re Elgar!
              I almost fell off my chair. Talk about Home Counties superciliousness - of which I'm sure I've been guilty... in the past, of course.

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              • vinteuil
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 12815

                Originally posted by VodkaDilc View Post

                Did DS really refer to Elgar as a northerner?
                ... and isn't Worcester in the north?

                It's certainly north of Wigmore Street...

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                  ... and isn't Worcester in the north?
                  It's certainly north of Wigmore Street...
                  ... and north of Highbury and Kent, where Starkey lives. (He was born and spent the his pre-University days in Kendal, though.)
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • ardcarp
                    Late member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11102

                    I knew about Mendelssohn and the Royals, but I didn't know Rossini was a chum of George IV. How intriguing. Oh to have been a fly on the wall. I enjoyed this episode, especially the early photos and film of Victoria's Golden Jubilee and Funeral. I get a bit cross about the bits of music played but not mentioned, e.g. VW's mass in G minor. Not quite sure what that was doing there. Starkey's closing words to camera were perhaps a bit overblown.
                    Last edited by ardcarp; 30-01-17, 16:52.

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                    • Lat-Literal
                      Guest
                      • Aug 2015
                      • 6983

                      My second comment on this thread. I saw the final episode this week - Parry, Stanford, Elgar etc - and I thought it was wonderful. It was both entertaining and educational. The series is one of Starkey's greatest achievements. He handled it so well. If there are to be controversial television historians who really do know about history, then we are blessed with having Starkey and Schama in this age as representatives of opposite ends of the political scale. In a different way - ie archaeological - I think Neil Oliver is also very good.

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