'David Starkey's Music and Monarchy'

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

say what you like and as you will the prog goes from strength to strength .....

[doversoul1]

Sorry to bring back the subject/topic I think the most interesting point made in this programme was that Handel’s music became the music to praise not the monarchy but the nation.

[ed] oh... I seemed to have missed the bus.

[Serial_Apologist]

Rofl.

If the tide is turning , I intend to Surf the wave.

You won't deter gents.

[salymap]

Oh really S_A, your absence made the puns
grow bolder. Iloved the Varese one.

[teamsaint]

Oh really S_A, your absence made the puns
grow bolder. Iloved the Varese one.

Free the Varese One.

[VodkaDilc]

say what you like and as you will the prog goes from strength to strength .....

I thought that the final programme in the series covered the material well. Several things stood out though:

Did DS really refer to Elgar as a northerner?

Is David Owen Norris turning into Patrick Moore? (The scene where DS and DON were apparently trying to out-camp each other was priceless.)

After all the sensitive treatment of the music, did Zadok have to be snatched off mid-phrase as the credits ended?

[Mary Chambers]

Did DS really refer to Elgar as a northerner?

He did, I think. Well, he was north of Watford! Odd, though, because Starkey is a real northerner. He comes from Kendal.

[amateur51]

Is David Owen Norris turning into Patrick Moore? (The scene where DS and DON were apparently trying to out-camp each other was priceless.)

David Owen Norris is to Patrick Moore as David Starkey is to Arthur Negus, I think

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

.... a great little series .... one highlight for me the Triple Amen .... more please!

if DON is turning into PM he should watch his diet!

i had not known that the RCM had such a jingoistic origin ......

[BBMmk2]

Maybe our friends and colleagues 'across the seas' have a better knowledge.
Nearly 40 years ago, in 1975, when I was working in Hong Kong I was asked to accompany ( on piano) a young British trumpet player in a broadcast recital - Crispian Steele-Perkins.
In his introductory 'chat' he cited the composer of several trumpet works: 'Henry P'CELL ' at which point the radio 'station manager' stopped the tape recorder and asked Crispian to use the 'correct pronunciation' - 'Henry PURcell'.

In reality, \I don't think we know, actually how to pronounce Purcell's name?

[Pabmusic]

In reality, \I don't think we know, actually how to pronounce Purcell's name?

You're absolutely right, BBM. It's a relatively unusual name. Maybe PURcell is right - after all, that's how we'd say Persil. In fact, I think Purcell and Persil are the same name anyway, but we will never know how Our 'Enery said it.

Just as we have no idea how William pronounced (or spelt) his surname - SHAKEspeare, ShakeSPEAR, SHAKspear, ShakSPEAR, SHAKsper, ShakSPER [continues ad inf.].

We even get Edward Elgar wrong. There is no doubt that, for most of his life, he was EdWARD (rhymes with CARD) ELgər. It was the EdWARDian age Age (rhymes with bacardi 'n' coke).

Odd, isn't it?

[Pabmusic]

David Owen Norris is to Patrick Moore as David Starkey is to Arthur Negus, I think

Priceless!

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Maybe PURcell is right

FWiW, all the poems that refer to his name (including one by Dryden) put the emphasis on the first syllable as you suggest, Pabs.

- after all, that's how we'd say Persil. In fact, I think Purcell and Persil are the same name anyway

Now, I always thought that the detergent was so named because its principal ingredient was Parsley (or "peresil") - but, according to Wiki, it's a contraction of its two main chemical ingredients (perborate & silicate). Also according to Wiki, "Purcell" was a surname originally given to swineherds (from "pourcel", meaning "piglet" in old Norman). This would also suggest an emphasis on the first syllable.

[Pabmusic]

...Now, I always thought that the detergent was so named because its principal ingredient was Parsley (or "peresil") - but, according to Wiki, it's a contraction of its two main chemical ingredients (perborate & silicate). Also according to Wiki, "Purcell" was a surname originally given to swineherds (from "pourcel", meaning "piglet" in old Norman). This would also suggest an emphasis on the first syllable.

Wonderful Holmesian deduction, Ferney. I can't imagine looking up "Persil" in Wikipedia. As I said ... just wonderful!

[Nick Armstrong]

(from "pourcel", meaning "piglet" in old Norman). This would also suggest an emphasis on the first syllable.

Well... not really - if anything that would incline me to roughly equal emphasis on both syllables, à la française... which, thinking about it, is just about how I do pronounce the name - I've never said either per'SELL or PURR'sl...