'David Starkey's Music and Monarchy'

[jean]

Surely Dr Starkey's comments could be printed right at the bottom of the screen while the music is being sung.

But what would Dr Starkey do the while?

(thinks: maybe we didn't need a presenter at all...)

On the subject of subtitles - someone should have told whoever 'translated' the Agincourt carol that affray isn't the same as afraid.

[DracoM]

Yes, wasn't that basic lunacy, jean! I'm afraid I laughed out loud.
And as you say, what I do NOT understand is if this is about MUSIC - erm...title of series, Beeb? - why the heck does he keep on talking THROUGH that music?

[DracoM]

Yes, wasn't that basic lunacy, jean! I'm afraid I laughed out loud.
And as you say, what I do NOT understand is if this is about MUSIC - erm...title of series, Beeb? - why the heck does he keep on talking THROUGH that music?

[jean]

What I really would have liked (would like!) to know is how close we came to losing Church music altogether, as Dr Starkey implied we did during the reign of Edward VI.

Though there's no arguing about the demand for syllabic setting of words, rather than longer and longer melismata, that would not rule out music altogether. And the Council of Trent laid down the same sort of strictures, though perhaps those were a defensive reaction to Protestant ideas? I've never been sure.

We will never know how English music would have developed if it had not been for the Reformation, but it is true (isn't it?) that the Eton Choirbook style, magnificent though it is, probably could not have been taken much further.

[jean]

What I really would have liked (would like!) to know is how close we came to losing Church music altogether, as Dr Starkey implied we did during the reign of Edward VI.

Though there's no arguing about the demand for syllabic setting of words, rather than longer and longer melismata, that would not rule out music altogether. And the Council of Trent laid down the same sort of strictures, though perhaps those were a defensive reaction to Protestant ideas? I've never been sure.

We will never know how English music would have developed if it had not been for the Reformation, but it is true (isn't it?) that the Eton Choirbook style, magnificent though it is, probably could not have been taken much further.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

We will never know how English music would have developed if it had not been for the Reformation, but it is true (isn't it?) that the Eton Choirbook style, magnificent though it is, probably could not have been taken much further.

How can we know this, jean? Music history is fuelled as much by geniuses who take "what cannot be taken much further" further, as by those who "start afresh".

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

We will never know how English music would have developed if it had not been for the Reformation, but it is true (isn't it?) that the Eton Choirbook style, magnificent though it is, probably could not have been taken much further.

How can we know this, jean? Music history is fuelled as much by geniuses who take "what cannot be taken much further" further, as by those who "start afresh".

[french frank]

talking THROUGH that music

Aren't the vast majority of music programmes on television (Proms excepted) ABOUT music (or a reality TV competition of some sort) rather than a broadcast of the music for its own sake?

[french frank]

talking THROUGH that music

Aren't the vast majority of music programmes on television (Proms excepted) ABOUT music (or a reality TV competition of some sort) rather than a broadcast of the music for its own sake?

[BBMmk2]

I suppose before the music is played the presenter could talk about the piece etc, and then hopefully keep quiet during it?

[BBMmk2]

I suppose before the music is played the presenter could talk about the piece etc, and then hopefully keep quiet during it?

[DracoM]

Ahem, bbm, this is David Starkey you're asking about. 'Keeping quiet'? Hmm.

[DracoM]

Ahem, bbm, this is David Starkey you're asking about. 'Keeping quiet'? Hmm.

[BBMmk2]

Ahem, bbm, this is David Starkey you're asking about. 'Keeping quiet'? Hmm.

True! We can live and hope!!

[BBMmk2]

Ahem, bbm, this is David Starkey you're asking about. 'Keeping quiet'? Hmm.

True! We can live and hope!!