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  • aeolium
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 3992

    Borgen series 2

    I'm surprised that no thread has emerged on this as we're now up to episode 4.

    As with the first series, it's enjoyable to watch for the script, interweaving of plot and the acting, but I can't help comparing the fictional portrayal of Danish politics in Borgen with the fictional portrayal of British politics in The Thick of It - it could hardly be more different. In Borgen the heroine is shown having to cope with political crises, a fragile coalition, ambitious colleagues, a predatory press and all while juggling a difficult situation at home - and shown managing it. In The Thick of It ministers are shown up as vain, venal, conspiratorial, above all incompetent, while the Alistair Campbell figure, Malcolm Tucker, is portrayed as a manipulative grotesque - his counterpart in Borgen, Kaspar, is more complex, human, fallible yet efficient. It's a totally different perspective.

    [SPOILER below]






    Thinking of the political slant of this series at least, it seems to be more conservative/realist. There are idealists portrayed - including, to a certain extent, the PM - but they are being pensioned off through illness (Sjero) or intrigue (Marrot). In the first episodes the PM is persuaded round from a position of wanting to pull troops out of Afghanistan to keeping them there for the long term. In the last two episodes the PM is proposing an early retirement scheme to fund welfare reform (and in a separate narrative, agrees to a military assault rescue to recover Danish seamen held hostage by Somalian pirates). I'd be hard-pressed to work out what distinguished any of the political parties portrayed in the series, but in that I suppose it is quite true to real life
  • Mr Pee
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 3285

    #2
    I didn't watch the first series of this, and I am now kicking myself for missing it, because I think Series 2 is outstanding television. Gripping, believable and quite moving at times as well; and brilliantly acted to boot- the look of complete devastation on the Foreign Minister's face after he was confronted with the photographs in that last episode, for example.

    I may need to get hold of a boxset of series one.
    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

    Mark Twain.

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      #3
      Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
      and brilliantly acted to boot- the look of complete devastation on the Foreign Minister's face after he was confronted with the photographs in that last episode, for example.
      Yes that was magnificently acted: so supercilious when he thought he was going to be Prime Minister, completely destroyed when the truth punched him in the face. Brigitte's sympathy for him (which could so easily have come across as sentimental or weak) was inevitable when confronted by this utterly lost and crushed figure.

      aeolie is right: UK political dramas tend to be satirical (Yes, (Prime) Minister, The Thick of It) or drama-docs. The Hour is the nearest we have to Borgen - I can't think of any decent UK parliamentary dramas since A Very British Coup.


      oh; and a real boo-able villain in the Express editor - lovely the way we were led to think he was getting his come-uppance, only to have him take back the advantage.
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • johncorrigan
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 10463

        #4
        Originally posted by Mr Pee View Post
        I didn't watch the first series of this, and I am now kicking myself for missing it, because I think Series 2 is outstanding television. Gripping, believable and quite moving at times as well; and brilliantly acted to boot- the look of complete devastation on the Foreign Minister's face after he was confronted with the photographs in that last episode, for example.

        I may need to get hold of a boxset of series one.
        Me too Mr Pee - really enjoying this - characters you can relate to - but I'm loving 'Killing' actors turning up in a completely different role - politician turned grieving parent, grieving parent turned politician - the subtitles are better than the Killing too - love the alcoholic journalist woman - great character - hope she doesn't disappear now.

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        • aka Calum Da Jazbo
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 9173

          #5
          er comment seemed superfluous ...... brilliant programme ... and agog again ....
          According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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          • Stunsworth
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 1553

            #6
            Having just watched episodes 3 & 4 back to back, I can only echo what everyone else has said, great drama, great acting.

            Spoiler!!!







            Not sure Katrine would have been able to access her boss's computer so easily without anyone noticing.
            Steve

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            • Resurrection Man

              #7
              Mmmmm...I seem to be the odd-one out in that I'm finding this second series tediously boring and so, so obvious as to how each episode develops. Ah well...maybe it might get better. Now where is Spiral?

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              • Nick Armstrong
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 26601

                #8
                Originally posted by Resurrection Man View Post
                Mmmmm...I seem to be the odd-one out in that I'm finding this second series tediously boring and so, so obvious as to how each episode develops. Ah well...maybe it might get better. Now where is Spiral?
                I was sceptical at the beginning of Season 1... but I later on I was convinced, and I think that Season 2 is even better.

                I've only watched the first of Saturday's two episodes - gripping stuff. I think the performance of Sidse Babett Knudsen playing the Prime Minister is absolutely exceptional. She is on screen virtually all the time and seems to be able to convey anything with economy and in a magnetic way. The moment when she arrived with Kaspar at the ill-fated seminar in the car: a look at him, a flicker of the eyebrow, a turn to the door, a split second to compose herself, and then the 'public' smile face as the car door opened... From the grit when dealing with the treacherous, to the crumpling in distress as her family draw away from her: magical
                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                  The moment when she arrived with Kaspar at the ill-fated seminar in the car: a look at him, a flicker of the eyebrow, a turn to the door, a split second to compose herself, and then the 'public' smile face as the car door opened...
                  YES!!! And the way the frost thawed into compassion in her eyes with her last meeting with her Foreign Minister when she realized he was a wreck. Shivers down my spine!



                  ... and isn't it a gorgeous smile!
                  [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                  • Mr Pee
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3285

                    #10
                    Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                    YES!!! And the way the frost thawed into compassion in her eyes with her last meeting with her Foreign Minister when she realized he was a wreck. Shivers down my spine!



                    ... and isn't it a gorgeous smile!
                    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.

                    Mark Twain.

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                    • Nick Armstrong
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 26601

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                      ... and isn't it a gorgeous smile!


                      "...the isle is full of noises,
                      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                      • Nick Armstrong
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 26601

                        #12
                        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                        oh; and a real boo-able villain in the Express editor - lovely the way we were led to think he was getting his come-uppance, only to have him take back the advantage.
                        That final scene was fantastisk !

                        I knew it was a bad idea to fire the chauffeur!
                        "...the isle is full of noises,
                        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                        • Paul Sherratt

                          #13
                          It's just a posh soap ( imo )
                          Last edited by Guest; 15-01-13, 08:41.

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                          • Nick Armstrong
                            Host
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 26601

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Paul Sherratt View Post
                            It's just a posh soap ( imo )
                            Doesn't that apply to any drama?
                            "...the isle is full of noises,
                            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                            • Paul Sherratt

                              #15
                              Not those kitchen sink dramas, surely, Caliban?

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