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  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
    • 26540

    Originally posted by Northender View Post
    I thought he played the part beautifully, changing from an Angry Young Man of whom John Osborne would have been proud into a suitably majestic figure who was aware of what lay in store yet faced the future with a kind of heroic stoicism of which Scott of the Antarctic would have been equally proud.

    I felt that, by the time the coffin containing Richard II was brought in, he had already conveyed very subtly, but nonetheless very clearly, the growing realization that he - and all his followers and descendants - were going to pay a dreadful price, not so much because they had performed evil deeds, but because it had been borne in on him that the fate of all monarchs is sealed in advance, and he just happened to be the latest wearer of the crown. In the end, he was as much of a victim as he was at the outset. The difference - conveyed by gesture, expression and silence as by words - was that he no longer railed against the situation in which he found himself.

    What I also found quite fascinating was the skilful way in which the continual changes in Richard's attitude were reflected in his speech patterns - compare, for example, the brusque put-down in response to John of Gaunt's 'This England' speech and the consequent rapping out of orders with his high-flown oratory while attempting to retain some shreds of royal dignity and the subsequent plainness of his language once he had accepted his fate.

    Among a very strong supporting cast, I would single out Messrs Suchet and Morrissey. I know DS has his detractors, but anybody who can play, to give just a couple of examples, a Maxwellian monster such as Sebastian Melmoth (correct spelling?) in 'The Way We Live Now' and the irritating, slightly fey Hercule Poirot, with the same degree of conviction as that with which he played the part of York has my admiration.
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • amateur51

      Originally posted by Northender View Post
      I thought he played the part beautifully, changing from an Angry Young Man of whom John Osborne would have been proud into a suitably majestic figure who was aware of what lay in store yet faced the future with a kind of heroic stoicism of which Scott of the Antarctic would have been equally proud.

      I felt that, by the time the coffin containing Richard II was brought in, he had already conveyed very subtly, but nonetheless very clearly, the growing realization that he - and all his followers and descendants - were going to pay a dreadful price, not so much because they had performed evil deeds, but because it had been borne in on him that the fate of all monarchs is sealed in advance, and he just happened to be the latest wearer of the crown. In the end, he was as much of a victim as he was at the outset. The difference - conveyed by gesture, expression and silence as by words - was that he no longer railed against the situation in which he found himself.

      What I also found quite fascinating was the skilful way in which the continual changes in Richard's attitude were reflected in his speech patterns - compare, for example, the brusque put-down in response to John of Gaunt's 'This England' speech and the consequent rapping out of orders with his high-flown oratory while attempting to retain some shreds of royal dignity and the subsequent plainness of his language once he had accepted his fate.

      Among a very strong supporting cast, I would single out Messrs Suchet and Morrissey. I know DS has his detractors, but anybody who can play, to give just a couple of examples, a Maxwellian monster such as Sebastian Melmoth (correct spelling?) in 'The Way We Live Now' and the irritating, slightly fey Hercule Poirot, with the same degree of conviction as that with which he played the part of York has my admiration.
      Great summary Norths - unpopular it may be to say so but we have some very fine actors (of both genders ) around at the moment and presumably some fine directors too.

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      • vinteuil
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 12846

        Originally posted by amateur51 View Post
        we have some very fine actors (of both genders ) .
        ... only of both genders?

        I am irresistibly reminded of the pension which looms so large in Balzac's le Père Goriot -

        "... On entre dans cette allée par une porte bâtarde, surmontée d' un écriteau sur lequel est écrit : MAISON-VAUQUER, et dessous : Pension bourgeoise des deux sexes et autres . "

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        • amateur51

          Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
          ... only of both genders?

          I am irresistibly reminded of the pension which looms so large in Balzac's le Père Goriot -

          "... On entre dans cette allée par une porte bâtarde, surmontée d' un écriteau sur lequel est écrit : MAISON-VAUQUER, et dessous : Pension bourgeoise des deux sexes et autres . "


          We had one of those, always got stuck when the weather was damp cos the wood used to swell, but my Dad planed off a few mm and it was fine after that

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          • Nick Armstrong
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 26540

            Originally posted by amateur51 View Post


            We had one of those, always got stuck when the weather was damp cos the wood used to swell, but my Dad planed off a few mm and it was fine after that
            Cute. Very cute.
            "...the isle is full of noises,
            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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            • Northender

              Only now have I finished watching 'The Hollow Crown'. I tend to agree with the general view that 'Richard II' was the best of the bunch, with a steady deterioration thereafter. Jeremy Irons finally succumbed to the temptation to go OTT and make more than was strictly necessary of the key scenes ('Uneasy Lies The Head' being a case in point).
              Hard to know what was most disappointing about 'Henry V'. I found Tom Hiddleston very low-voltage and consistently underwhelming. His two 'big speeches' - outside Harfleur and before Azincourt [sic] - were addressed to a remarkably small number of people - or did the select few text the gist to the rank and file? While JI milked his key speeches, I thought TH made too little of his. Above all, he didn't strike me as at all REGAL (cf. the change that came over Rory Kinnear's Bolingbroke on ascending the throne). I thought Tom Georgeson was excellent throughout as Bardolph. The 'niles, sin and elbow' scene seemed to go on for ever. I'm afraid that, try as I might, I couldn't get Olivier's film out of my mind - IMHO that was superior in just about every respect.

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              • Nick Armstrong
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 26540

                Good to see Ben Whishaw pick up the best actor BAFTA today.

                And Simon Russell Beale for best supporting actor

                Good also to revisit this gem:


                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                Good Heavens, Bbm! How tantalizing! You don't mean to say that you're related to ... to ... to ... Barbara Cartland, do you?!
                Last edited by Nick Armstrong; 12-05-13, 23:40. Reason: forgot Simon Russell Beale
                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • gurnemanz
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7391

                  Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                  [COLOR="#0000FF"]Good to see Ben Whishaw pick up the best actor BAFTA today.
                  I agree. Did he refer it it as a little known 400 year old play?.... or something like that

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                  • Nick Armstrong
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26540

                    Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                    I agree. Did he refer it it as a little known 400 year old play?.... or something like that
                    I think the word 'obscure' escap'd his lips...

                    Actually - to be fair: "relatively obscure" were the words he used...
                    Last edited by Nick Armstrong; 12-05-13, 22:18. Reason: to be fair...
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • Anna

                      Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
                      I agree. Did he refer it it as a little known 400 year old play?.... or something like that
                      Yes, he did! That was funny, I felt like saying 'oh. don't worry your pretty little head about it'

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                      • mercia
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 8920

                        Hollow Crown getting a repeat, from tonight, as you probably know

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                        • Tevot
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 1011

                          Originally posted by mercia View Post
                          Hollow Crown getting a repeat, from tonight, as you probably know
                          Hello there,

                          Thanks for the heads up Mercia and indeed for resurrecting this thread which like The Hollow Crown itself I didn't come across back in 2012. Having read through the posts I was struck by DracoM's comments about there being few comments on what indeed was a major cultural event. I think one of the reasons for this was its coincidence with The Olympics plus the busy-ness as it were, of Summer. I certainly missed it as we came back from China to visit family around 9th of
                          July by which time - (thanks to info from Wikipedia) I gather that half of the show had already been transmitted. When not travelling, sight-seeing, catching up with people etc, any spare time was spent listening to The Proms (Barenboim doing Beethoven wasn't it?) and watching The Olympics magnificently defy low expectations. Indeed, I'd venture that for many folk the artistic achievement of that year wasn't The Hollow Crown but Danny Boyle's inspired Olympic Opening Ceremony...

                          Anyway. I finally caught up with the Hollow Crown in 2015 around this time - early May I think - on bootlegged DVDs in Nanjing. A friend from Bradford (sadly no longer with us) had seen the "show" in 2012 (he evidently hated sport!!) and had highly recommended them. So I gave them a spin - and I watched them back to back almost (all four parts within two days.)

                          And yes - like other posters here I must say that the one which made the most immediate impression (and I still recall) was the adaptation of Richard II. I thought that both Whishaw and Kinnear were excellent and convincing in their roles and the dramatisation was fresh to me - I'd never studied the play at school or seen any performance of it beforehand (apart perhaps from snippets from the 70s BBC TV Shakespeare) It gripped from start to finish.

                          The others had their moments too - but somehow they seem less memorable. I'll certainly aim to see them again but other than Richard II the one I'd like to revisit, reassess and pay very close attention to is Henry V because like others I initially thought it was downbeat and finally having a Damascene realisation that Tom Hiddlestone is a fine actor ( q.v. Night Manager) I'd like to see it again as opinions about the production are indeed polarised. I too, fwiw, thought the scenes with Katherine were touching and funny.

                          And like Ferney, Caliban, Anna and others ( Where please is Amateur51 - does anybody know!?) I thought The Hollow Crown was -warts, shortcomings, continuity errors and all - a damned fine series - one which we and the BBC should be very proud of...

                          I gather that there is a new series coming up - including Cumberbatch as Richard III !? Now that one is intriguing.

                          I hope to God that they don't schedule it against Euro 2016

                          But whatever, and wherever I am at the time - here in Sanya, or in Somerset or in York ( and wasn't David Suchet so bloody fine btw!?) I will try my utmost to watch

                          Many thanks again Mercia,

                          and Best Wishes,

                          Tevot
                          Last edited by Tevot; 26-04-16, 07:59.

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                          • jayne lee wilson
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 10711

                            The hollow crown henry 6th part 1 bbc2

                            What a wonderful production, striking the perfect balance between formality & naturalism in its directing, staging, verse-speaking and acting. As one who usually avoids Shaxpear on TV (early studious overexposure) I was soon drawn in to this one, then utterly absorbed..

                            A Game of Thrones without the sorcery and with ​slightly more sophisticated dialogue (at least until Varys & Tyrion are onscreen).

                            D-N-M!

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                            • Stanley Stewart
                              Late Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 1071

                              Absolutely agree, Jayne. Enthralled throughout. At last, the intimacy of a TV framework dispenses with the need for projection, or declamation, and a clear scan of the text indicates Shakespeare's intention if clearly enunciated - including quick cutting catching the silences of conspiracy or disagreement, all speaking volumes. Fast cutting also provides the need for energy the text requires. Delighted, too, that the hysterically funny parody of "Beyond the Fringe" (1960) - cries of 'Worcester get thee to Kidderminster etc' by Messrs Bennett, Miller & Cook were totally avoided in the continual cross- patter of dialogue. Vivid memories, too, of the RSC production in the 70s with David Warner as a saintly Henry VI and Peggy Ashcroft starting as a young and beautiful Margaret of Anjou before her later transformation to a hissing, venemous hag in Part II.

                              Did an overnight recording from hard disc to DVD although glad to note that the whole series is commercially available. Benedict Cumberbatch already in the wings as Richard III. I sense a real winner.

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                              • jean
                                Late member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 7100

                                I can't say I was enthralled throughout, but Gloucester's casting off was absolutely riveting. Maybe it was the acting as much as the text?

                                I read somewhere - can't remember where - a wholesale dismissal of the BBC's Shakespeare of the 1979s - 80s; yet the only thing I really remember from that was Henry VI - who played him? I'm sure Stanley will remember! Tom Surridge was ineffectual here, but not saintly enough.

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