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  • Highbury Belle
    • Nov 2024

    Inappropriate background music

    Hullo everyone, first post for me so please be gentle....

    In the past couple of weeks I have watched two documentaries on obscure television channels, co-incidentally both about architects; the first on Charles Barry and the Palace of Westminster, the second a survey of Frank Lloyd Wright's life and work. No quibbles about the visual work or the general narrative, but the background music struck me in each case as the choice of a producer who doesn't know much about music.

    The Barry documentary was obviously about an architect working in the 1830s, using the Gothic Revival style that originated in the later 18th century though seems to have been formulated in architecture during the 1810s. So why did the sound track give us a modern instrument transcription of "Jesus bleibet meine Freude" (Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring) written in 1723? I cant see any connection, and aesthetically it jarred.

    For the Wright, there was a selection of Beethoven's later works - seemingly based on the fatuous comment by a grandson of Wright, interviewed in the documentary, who compared Wright's late-life creativity to that of Beethoven specifically after the latter became deaf. It's not as if Wright had gone blind, so I cant see how anything had changed for his creative process, whereas for a musician deafness is obviously fundamental. But anyway, why couldn't we have a decent selection of music contemporary to the different period's of Wright's life? For an architect who innovated and experimented, there are many obvious parallels in US classical music during his working life; and again, aesthetically the Beethoven jarred with the images.

    So, what do we do? Maybe you have other examples of inappropriate (nay illiterate) background music and wish to share the frustration? Do we just grump about it, as an o tempora o mores thread? Does it really matter? Or do we write to Mr Gove and explain how 'classical' music needs to be given more priority in the curricula?

    Pleased to meet you one and all!
  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30323

    #2
    Just a quick Hello, HB, and pleased to meet you too .

    I say quick, because what you write reminds me of something I read earlier in the BBC review of the Performing Groups, but I've forgotten what it was - something about a BBC strategy on music ... and learning ... and something ... I will go back and look. (It may not be relevant)
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Flosshilde
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 7988

      #3
      Pleased to meet you, too, Belle , & welcolme to the Board.

      I've had similar thoughts when I've seen a documentary - it's got so bad that one almost expects that the music selected for a film about a composer will be equaly anachronistic. I assume that the director, or editor, just asks some hapless assistant (probably an 'intern' - ie an unpaid volunteer) who knows nothing about classical music, to choose something to suit a particular mood or scene.

      Salymap, did you ever get asked for suitable music by documentary makers? (Oh, & I'm not suggesting for a minute that you fit my description of a "hapless assistant who knows nothing about classical music").

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      • Stanley Stewart
        Late Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1071

        #4
        Welcome, Belle. The problem is pernicious as the music is also intrusive. Did you see "Birdsong" on the BBC, a few months ago? The soundtrack also made the dialogue frequently inaudible throughout.

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        • Barbirollians
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 11709

          #5
          Sometimes the paucity of imagination drives me mad - a mysterious or sad bit - oh no it is Spiegel im Spiegel again or whatever that ubiquitous piece of Arvo Part is called .

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          • Roehre

            #6
            Originally posted by Highbury Belle View Post
            ....No quibbles about the visual work or the general narrative, but the background music struck me in each case as the choice of a producer who doesn't know much about music
            ....
            So, what do we do? Maybe you have other examples of inappropriate (nay illiterate) background music and wish to share the frustration? Do we just grump about it, as an o tempora o mores thread? Does it really matter? Or do we write to Mr Gove and explain how 'classical' music needs to be given more priority in the curricula?
            Welcome to these boards, Belle

            I am afraid that it is easier to define documentaries and constume dramas using the "right" music, than to sum up all those programmes in which the producer shows that he knows a lot about the subject and the research team has done its work thoroughly, only to be ruining all the good work (for people who know a bit of music and its history) with a less than adequate choice of music :
            Middle age courts with full symphony orchestra, Henry V combined with Mozart, the history of monasteries in the 16th century with Hildegard, documentaries re a British subject illustrated with continental music -Vivaldi is quite popular with nature documantaries- or a science series drowned out by full blasting pop music (because that is what our presenter-professor thinks he must do- and showing that a professorship in one area can be combined with a complete lack of taste and/or knowledge in another).

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            • jayne lee wilson
              Banned
              • Jul 2011
              • 10711

              #7
              Tonight's documentary on London's wildlife, with a carefully-cadenced narration by Timothy Spall, included a scene where the courtship dance of a pair of Great-Crested Grebes was accompanied by a hefty bit of drum'n bass...

              ...pretty bad, yes, but really no music could have matched the birds' rhythms (Boulez's Derive might have been interesting though...) and the atmosphere would have been best conveyed by - the natural sounds of the lake, the coots nearby, the traffic in the city, the wind, the water, the urban hubbub...

              The problem with a producer's attempt to find music to match a mood or an image is that it won't work for everyone; and wasn't that one point of Cage's 4'33, to listen to the sounds that are there. But not everyone needed to know the Cage to already enjoy the "music" of the natural or the urban world. The cries of birds and foxes against the background of urban machinery and city life has its own concrete poetry, and this is true of most landscapes and environments.
              Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 19-06-12, 00:00.

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              • Beef Oven

                #8
                Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                Tonight's documentary on London's wildlife, with a carefully-cadenced narration by Timothy Spall, included a scene where the courtship dance of a pair of Great-Crested Grebes was accompanied by a hefty bit of drum'n bass...

                ...pretty bad, yes, but really no music could have matched the birds' rhythms (Boulez's Derive might have been interesting though...) and the atmosphere would have been best conveyed by - the natural sounds of the lake, the coots nearby, the traffic in the city, the wind, the water, the urban hubbub...

                The problem with a producer's attempt to find music to match a mood or an image is that it won't work for everyone; and wasn't that one point of Cage's 4'33, to listen to the sounds that are there. But not everyone needed to know the Cage to already enjoy the "music" of the natural or the urban world. The cries of birds and foxes against the background of urban machinery and city life has its own concrete poetry.
                Foxes walking down the high road in London at midday, bold as brass - bloody pests! And I just don't understand Cage's 4'33!!!

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                • jayne lee wilson
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 10711

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Beef Oven View Post
                  Foxes walking down the high road in London at midday, bold as brass - bloody pests! And I just don't understand Cage's 4'33!!!
                  But Beef - you just heard it again, walking down that road, watching the fox...

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                  • Beef Oven

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                    But Beef - you just heard it again, walking down that road, watching the fox...
                    Gonna stick to Beethoven and Deep Purple - this all goes over my head

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                    • jayne lee wilson
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 10711

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Beef Oven View Post
                      Gonna stick to Beethoven and Deep Purple - this all goes over my head
                      OK then - instead of listening to Simon & Garfunkel's "Sound of Silence'', just slow down, take off the 'phones and listen to the sound of silence.

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                      • Beef Oven

                        #12
                        Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                        OK then - instead of listening to Simon & Garfunkel's "Sound of Silence'', just slow down, take off the 'phones and listen to the sound of silence.
                        Impossible- I have terminal tinnitus from gigs that were too loud and listening to music with headphones at stupid volume levels

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                        • jayne lee wilson
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 10711

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Beef Oven View Post
                          Impossible- I have terminal tinnitus from gigs that were too loud and listening to music with headphones at stupid volume levels
                          Then, tinnitus is the sound of your silence... and that's why you need to cancel it, loud and long, with Prog Rock and Wagner? An appetite that can never be satisfied?

                          Years ago, laid up in bed after a nasty labyrinthitis attack, I suffered (thankfully temporarily) with tinnitus. I couldn't listen to human music at all. Propped up on the pillows in the dark on a warm night in August, I recall my sheer luxurious relief when one torrential squalling downpour after another sounded its loud, silvery hiss upon the thick-leafed trees. A more beautiful, soothing music I couldn't have asked for.

                          The white noise of nature.

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                          • Beef Oven

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                            Then, tinnitus is the sound of your silence... and that's why you need to cancel it, loud and long, with Prog Rock and Wagner? An appetite that can never be satisfied?

                            Years ago, laid up in bed after a nasty labyrinthitis attack, I suffered (thankfully temporarily) with tinnitus. I couldn't listen to human music at all. Propped up on the pillows in the dark on a warm night in August, I recall my sheer luxurious relief when one torrential squalling downpour after another sounded its loud, silvery hiss upon the thick-leafed trees. A more beautiful, soothing music I couldn't have asked for.

                            The white noise of nature.
                            I love the sound of rain, I love the sound of music and yes, I hate silence.

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                            • jayne lee wilson
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 10711

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Beef Oven View Post
                              I love the sound of rain, I love the sound of music and yes, I hate silence.
                              Buona notte, Beef - I hope you find peace in the night, in this and other nights, any way you can.

                              "nec spe, nec metu"
                              Jayne.

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