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  • aeolium
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    • Nov 2010
    • 3992

    Edwin Drood

    Any views on the latest Dickens offering from the Beeb?

    I thought this was much better than the pre-Christmas Great Expectations. The casting and acting were generally better, as was the script, and the completion offered an interesting solution to the mystery. Matthew Rhys as Jasper and Rory Kinnear as Crisparkle were particularly good, and there were good performances in the roles of Grewgious, Datchery, Princess Puffer, Durdles and Deputy (would have liked a bit more from the last two). Neville Landless was appropriately quick-tempered, but Helena, though very good-looking, was rather on the soft and gentle side for someone described as tigerish in the book. The locations centred around the Cathedral were very atmospheric. A pity that we lost Mr Honeythunder and the Billickin, but this is the austerity Dickens in which character is sacrificed to plot.

    [SPOILER ALERT]

    As to the completion, it was an interesting idea to resurrect Drood's father (only to bury him again) and to have Edwin return alive towards the end - thereby confounding the expectation built up during the completed chapters. But I thought it stretched the bounds of plausibility to have all Jasper, Edwin and the Landlesses all related. Parricide and fratricide are never found in Dickens' other books, though there are plenty of examples of neglectful, cruel and hurtful fathers and brothers. And everything in the book points to there having been a crime committed (not necessarily a murder) on that stormy evening, yet the completion suggested that nothing really happened that evening, but that the murder - of Drood's father - happened a year earlier. What happened to Edwin in the interim? And why was Jasper horrified when Grewgious told him of the break-up of Edwin's engagement to Rosa - that only makes sense if he had committed an unnecessary crime?

    Fwiw, here is my suggested completion: Jasper strangles Edwin on that stormy evening and disposes of the body among the Cathedral tombs. But he strangles Edwin without killing him and Edwin is able to recover and 'disappear', concealing himself away from Cloisterham with the assistance of Datchery (and perhaps Durdles). Possible initial titles for the work that Dickens originally came up with included 'The Flight of Edwin Drood' and 'The Disappearance of Edwin Drood' (and 'Dead? or Alive?'). Jasper then pursues Neville Landless whom he suspects of being interested in Rosa, and successfully kills him. The net closes on Jasper after his opium-induced confession to Princess Puffer is disclosed to Datchery. The denouement is a pursuit of the criminal up the winding tower stair, where Jasper has to confront - as he thinks - two characters he has killed: Edwin Drood (shown in the bottom illustration in the Luke Fildes cover design) and Neville Landless (in reality Helena in disguise). Edwin Drood was charged by Grewgious to return the ring to him 'by the living and the dead', and he would do so as a man both living and dead, or at least returned from the brink of the grave.
  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30327

    #2
    We had a discussion on the old boards about Drood, and I'd never read it at that point. Consequently, I got a copy from the Amnesty Bookshop and enjoyed it, so I would - contrary to habit - quite like to see this. Do I assume BBC Four?
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • DublinJimbo
      Full Member
      • Nov 2011
      • 1222

      #3
      Originally posted by aeolium View Post
      Any views on the latest Dickens offering from the Beeb?
      I have to say that I gave up on it after fifteen minutes of the first part. Whereas the first twenty minutes or so of Expectations were wonderfully well done (hugely atmospheric, and featuring a superb young Pip), after which the adaptation went rapidly downhill, the opening of Drood utterly failed to grip or involve me.

      No doubt it will be re-broadcast, at which stage I will give it another try. It would be gratifying to find that my first impressions were wrong.

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      • Bryn
        Banned
        • Mar 2007
        • 24688

        #4
        The first episode is to be repeated on BBC One at 01:25 next Tuesday morning.

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        • Anna

          #5
          I was a little unsure watching the first episode but I was totally absorbed by the second part. The acting, particularly Matthew Rhys (and especially with Rosa Bud by the lake) and Rory Kinnear was excellent (and I particularly liked the character of Bazzard played by David Dawson) I found the second episode very High Gothic and gripping, not sure that I expected that quite so happy ending. Locations were superb as was script. Overall I enjoyed it far more than the limp Great Expectations adaptation. (BBC2 iplayer until 18th frenchie)
          Edit: I like the sound of aeolium's alternative ending!

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          • vinteuil
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 12846

            #6
            Originally posted by aeolium View Post
            this is the austerity Dickens in which character is sacrificed to plot.
            I think this sums up my misgivings. There's so much plot to be got through, even in a relatively slim Dickens like Drood, that there is little chance fully to realize the characterizations (and what a shame they missed out the Billickin!). For me Jasper was a leetle bit too much the unambiguous panto villain; I enjoyed Sapsea and Bazzard (almost a sort of Russell Brand, I thought); some nice location work.

            I think the second part, where the film-makers were free to do their own thing unshackled by Dickens's plot, was altogether more successful than the first part. Their solution was ingenious; but I share aeolium's reservations...

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26540

              #7
              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
              The first episode is to be repeated on BBC One at 01:25 next Tuesday morning.
              ... part-screen only with a person doing sign language in the corner.
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • Anna

                #8
                Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                I enjoyed Sapsea and Bazzard (almost a sort of Russell Brand, I thought); some nice location work.

                I think the second part, where the film-makers were free to do their own thing unshackled by Dickens's plot, was altogether more successful than the first part. Their solution was ingenious; but I share aeolium's reservations...
                Yes, I was wondering who Bazzard reminded me of! My thoughts agree with yours, second part was far, far, better than the first. I might even have another view before it expires on iplayer but I have to confess that I don't know the book, I was viewing a Victorian murder mystery rather than a Dickens adaptation so obviously looking at it from a different perspective.

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                • vinteuil
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 12846

                  #9
                  ... also, there's so much of Dickens's humour you can't convey on the telly. Fr'instance, altho' they featured the Sapsea memorial tomb, you don't really have time to savour the joy of it for the few seconds you see it: whereas on the printed page...

                  .

                  ETHELINDA
                  Reverential Wife of
                  MR. THOMAS SAPSEA,
                  AUCTIONEER, VALUER, ESTATE AGENT, &c.,
                  OF THIS CITY
                  Whose Knowledge of the World,
                  Though somewhat extensive,
                  Never brought him acquainted with
                  A SPIRIT
                  More capable of
                  LOOKING UP TO HIM.

                  STRANGER, PAUSE
                  And ask thyself the Question,
                  CANST THOU DO LIKEWISE?
                  If Not,
                  WITH A BLUSH RETIRE.

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                  • Nick Armstrong
                    Host
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 26540

                    #10
                    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                    ... also, there's so much of Dickens's humour you can't convey on the telly. Fr'instance, altho' they featured the Sapsea memorial tomb, you don't really have time to savour the joy of it for the few seconds you see it: whereas on the printed page...

                    .

                    ETHELINDA
                    Reverential Wife of
                    MR. THOMAS SAPSEA,
                    AUCTIONEER, VALUER, ESTATE AGENT, &c.,
                    OF THIS CITY
                    Whose Knowledge of the World,
                    Though somewhat extensive,
                    Never brought him acquainted with
                    A SPIRIT
                    More capable of
                    LOOKING UP TO HIM.

                    STRANGER, PAUSE
                    And ask thyself the Question,
                    CANST THOU DO LIKEWISE?
                    If Not,
                    WITH A BLUSH RETIRE.
                    "...the isle is full of noises,
                    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                    • Anna

                      #11
                      And of course, as to the humour, it was completely stripped away in Great Expectations which has some great comedy in it. Dickens was a master of comedic writing.

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                      • aeolium
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 3992

                        #12
                        also, there's so much of Dickens's humour you can't convey on the telly.
                        True, vinteuil, but you can make a good effort provided you allow enough time and not try and cram the thing into a couple of episodes. We could have had more of the Deputy/Durdles sparring (and why was he chucking stones in broad daylight when he is paid to do it by Durdles if he 'ket-ches-Im-out-ar-ter-ten'?), and the lugubrious Bazzard (who is not Datchery) as well as Sapsea, Honeythunder, Billickin, Mrs Crisparkle etc. It is the minor characters who give so much life to Dickens' work and nowadays we tend to lose them.

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                        • Anna

                          #13
                          Drood was 2 hours, GE was 3 but the last wonderful Bleak House was 8 hours. I imagine with cutbacks we won't have any more adaptations lasting 8 hours. Gwyneth Hughes is a crime writer and I think this showed in comparison with GE which was adapted by an East Enders script writer. Bleak of course was done by Andrew Davies. As far as I know there is no more Dickens planned by BBC tv this year

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                          • vinteuil
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12846

                            #14
                            Originally posted by aeolium View Post
                            It is the minor characters who give so much life to Dickens' work and nowadays we tend to lose them.
                            I agree. For me, the plots are mainly a Hitchcockian macguffin to keep you going: and the major 'heroes' (and still worse 'heroines') are often tiresome - but the joy is the minor characters, the descriptions, the absurdities, the generosity of it all.

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                            • mercia
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 8920

                              #15
                              Originally posted by aeolium View Post
                              What happened to Edwin in the interim?
                              he'd dashed off to Egypt - that's what he said anyway

                              And why was Jasper horrified when Grewgious told him of the break-up of Edwin's engagement to Rosa
                              'cos at that point he thought he had killed Edwin, and that took away his motif, didn't it?



                              perhaps I misunderstood (and I've never read the book)

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