'Endeavour' ITV 1

[LMcD]

If only he didn't have to grow up to be Inspector Morse, he could have gone steady with that nice Joan Thursday a couple of series ago.....

Perhaps he'll get to know WPC Trewlove a bit better (even though, inevitably, it will end in heartbreak...)

[eighthobstruction]

....well there is some tying up to be done next week in the last of this series....I'm hoping we go back to that Greek Cafe and find out that that 'egg and bacon' red herring did in fact have some significance....Will the Yardies take over from Nero in this the thinnest of thin plot lines possibly put in for some local colour....of course Oxford famous for its Ghetto....

[subcontrabass]

....well there is some tying up to be done next week in the last of this series....I'm hoping we go back to that Greek Cafe and find out that that 'egg and bacon' red herring did in fact have some significance....Will the Yardies take over from Nero in this the thinnest of thin plot lines possibly put in for some local colour....of course Oxford famous for its Ghetto....

And will we get yet another episode of "spot the allusion"?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

And will we get yet another episode of "spot the allusion"?

Probably. I should mention that I'm enjoying the current series - nothing as bad as the CGI tiger from a couple of years ago - they're entertaining romps with the added "spot the allusion" game thrown in. But there's no doubt that the dark atmosphere of the first two series - and the care taken over the scripts - has been lost. I suspect that the popularity and ratings created by those early scripts might have led to ITV bosses demanding another series ASAP, which has led to the carelessness shown in the current series. The best thing for it would be a couple of years' moratorium to allow the writers to hone the scripts - but the danger of losing the cast (and it looks as if Thursday may be leaving - and I suspect Joan is going to find something horrid in the woodshed, on the Morse cliché that if he falls for a woman, she either ends up the murdered or the murderer) will want them to produce ever-weaker scripts until everybody stops watching and it's cancelled.

[subcontrabass]

Probably. I should mention that I'm enjoying the current series - nothing as bad as the CGI tiger from a couple of years ago - they're entertaining romps with the added "spot the allusion" game thrown in. But there's no doubt that the dark atmosphere of the first two series - and the care taken over the scripts - has been lost. I suspect that the popularity and ratings created by those early scripts might have led to ITV bosses demanding another series ASAP, which has led to the carelessness shown in the current series. The best thing for it would be a couple of years' moratorium to allow the writers to hone the scripts - but the danger of losing the cast (and it looks as if Thursday may be leaving - and I suspect Joan is going to find something horrid in the woodshed, on the Morse cliché that if he falls for a woman, she either ends up the murdered or the murderer) will want them to produce ever-weaker scripts until everybody stops watching and it's cancelled.

Plus the chronology factor that this series is set in 1968, so there is very little time for Morse to morph into the grumpy Inspector of "Last Bus to Woodstock" set in 1975.

[LMcD]

Plus the chronology factor that this series is set in 1968, so there is very little time for Morse to morph into the grumpy Inspector of "Last Bus to Woodstock" set in 1975.

Wasn't he already grumpy in the very first episode, which was 'The Dead of Jericho'?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Wasn't he already grumpy in the very first episode, which was 'The Dead of Jericho'?

That's the first of the TV Morses - Woodstock" was the first novel. (As Endeavour is a TV programme, they might stretch the aging between this current series and the '80s when the Morse programmes began in 1987. That would make Sean Evans about the right age to morph into John Thaw.

[subcontrabass]

Wasn't he already grumpy in the very first episode, which was 'The Dead of Jericho'?

I was going by the novels. The Dead of Jericho was the fifth novel - 1981.

[LMcD]

Every day I learn, Mr. Fawlty! (Thank you).

[subcontrabass]

Every day I learn, Mr. Fawlty! (Thank you).

Just another round of "spot the allusion". It has been going on since the first episode of Endeavour: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2039333/trivia

[LMcD]

Just another round of "spot the allusion". It has been going on since the first episode of Endeavour: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2039333/trivia

Fascinating stuff. D Frazil = Thaw!"

[Pabmusic]

Fascinating stuff. D Frazil = Thaw!"

And what waas the name of the newagent - Dozer's? Sleepers as well, it seems.

[Nick Armstrong]

Fascinating stuff. D Frazil = Thaw!"

It's what my granny would have called 'clever-clever' - and it wasn't a compliment.

They writer/s would have been better off devoting more attention to more coherent and subtle plotting and dialogue.

Haven't seen the latest episode yet, though....

[Richard Tarleton]

They writer/s would have been better off devoting more attention to more coherent and subtle plotting and dialogue.

My thoughts precisely. Miss Thursday and Ms Frazil between them have my mother's first two names, I was there in 1968, my landlord was from Prague....I tell you, it's full of allusions

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

It's what my granny would have called 'clever-clever' - and it wasn't a compliment.
They writer/s would have been better off devoting more attention to more coherent and subtle plotting and dialogue.

Ermm ... just a moment. Abigail Thaw has played Dorothea Frazil since the pilot episode back in 2012, which one Forumista at the time singled out as

delicate references were well done (esp the beat after the meeting with Ms Thaw as the editor of the Oxford Mail

Can't recall which Forumista ... but it was in Post #23 of this very Thread.