'Endeavour' ITV 1

[Nick Armstrong]

As to authenticity - the penultimate episode irritated because everyone was wearing modern poppies.

But that sort of poppy was already around in the 1960s, no? I was starting to be aware of them around the time the programme was set, and I can't recall any other sort than the green plastic stem - black centre 'popper' button - red paper double-petal. I checked with my old man, who confirmed this - he can recall that kind when organising their sale at the school of which he was head throughout the 60s.

Just making my way through that penultimate episode - enjoying the atmosphere particularly.

[David-G]

I think they used to have a wire stem, and the green plastic stem was a "modern" innovation. Am I wrong?
But there is something about "Endeavour" that worries me rather more. Isn't it about time he developed his enthusiasm for classical music?

[LHC]

I think they used to have a wire stem, and the green plastic stem was a "modern" innovation. Am I wrong?
But there is something about "Endeavour" that worries me rather more. Isn't it about time he developed his enthusiasm for classical music?

He has been shown listening to opera recordings in his lodgings, and he was singing in a choir in the final episode, so I think his love of classical music is there.

[Roehre]

He has been shown listening to opera recordings in his lodgings, and he was singing in a choir in the final episode, so I think his love of classical music is there.

In the first series there is an episode in which the murderer follows or revers to the libretti of some operas, with Endeavor checking his multiple LP sets' accompanying books to find further clues.
Also there is an episode in which a famous opera singer is involved, one much revered by Endeavor.

So, the classical music -expecially opera- is there already

[antongould]

I liked it very much, and I was able follow the plots of this and last week's episodes as well. Some progress.
I love the dark(ish) scenes, as crime is dark anyway.
The older cop's articulation however is in for some improvement. But with this cliffhanger, will he return????

Only just caught up with the last episode....very good IMHO like all in this series.....

I think/hope Thursday will be around for a few more Sundays ......but I worry about the girl friend one feels she may be in danger.......

Colin Dexter seems to have had a number of cameos.......


Anyone watching Wor Vera......???

[Nick Armstrong]

Only just caught up with the last episode....very good IMHO like all in this series.....

I think/hope Thursday will be around for a few more Sundays ......but I worry about the girl friend one feels she may be in danger.......

Colin Dexter seems to have had a number of cameos.......


Anyone watching Wor Vera......???

How odd - the final Endeavour is half-way through here too, anton - very good, like the last one (the foggy stocking stranglings...). The earlier two in the series I thought were spoilt by over-ornate solutions which were not believable even from Morse and his convoluted cryptic-crossword mind

But the atmos and performances are faultless, Roger Allam above all - wonderful understated dealing with the rescued infant in the police station telling Anton Lesser's Chief Super that the police are all "bastards"...


(Missed the first Vera - second was ok, i thought. Something lacking, don't know what)

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

- wonderful understated dealing with the rescued infant in the police station telling Anton Lesser's Chief Super that the police are all "bastards"...

Oh, yes! And the way Lesser's face didn't change a muscle, but the eyes froze

[antongould]

Oh, yes! And the way Lesser's face didn't change a muscle, but the eyes froze

I find the leading players uniformly excellent.......

[Richard Tarleton]

Back again! A fairly convoluted plot, which owed its chief plot device to The Prestige.....

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Back again! A fairly convoluted plot, which owed its chief plot device to The Prestige.....

- a wee bit disappointing [SPOILER!!: interesting that it was broadcast a couple of days after Sherlock had angrily declared "It's never bloody twins!"]

[Nick Armstrong]

- a wee bit disappointing [SPOILER!!: interesting that it was broadcast a couple of days after Sherlock had angrily declared ....]

Didn't pick that up!

I find Endeavour a bit like a good Building a Library - the ride's the thing, the conclusion is usually the least enjoyable and interesting aspect of the operation.

They all seem to end with Young Morse reeling off the solution in a faintly incredible series of deductive leaps and pirouettes - not good.

But I'd sit through Allam and Lesser reading the phone book to one another, so enjoy the first 95% of it.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

But I'd sit through Allam and Lesser reading the phone book to one another, so enjoy the first 95% of it.

- you're right: it was the denouement of this first story that caused the "wee bit" of disappointment for me.

[Dave2002]

Maybe just me, but I really didn't get into the latest offering at all.

[Pabmusic]

Maybe just me, but I really didn't get into the latest offering at all.

Here (for what it's worth) are my two-penn'orth:

All Morse episodes were unrealistic - clever puzzles, though considerably better that Dame Agatha in my view, and which allowed plenty of character development. ITV chose not to dramatise one novel (The Riddle of Annex 3) - presumably because there'd have been some racial controversy (a black man 'blacked up' - shades of Father Brown). But they never really relied so much on 'cleverness'. This episode did - [SPOILER ALERT] identical twins! And a subplot about drugs, gangsters and false identities. This is a classic 'Golden Age' plot that could have come from Freeman Wills Crofts. This made it complicated, overtly unrealistic and remote from the viewer.

And of course, as Richard Tarleton has said, the plot is lifted from The Prestige.

Also, the last series ended with Morse in prison (itself something never hinted at in the 'real' series). This episode dealt with that in a way similar to "and with one bound he was free".

[Richard Tarleton]

One of the pleasures of Morse and Lewis is that they're set in the heart of Oxford, which is more difficult for Endeavour as so much has changed since 1967 - so we came in where we left off, in mansions set in woodland, not in Oxford. We did get a token view of the Radcliffe Camera. (1967 time check - we got Puppet on a String )

Was it just me, or was the body of the dead addict artfully arranged to look like the Death of Thomas Chatterton? We only saw it briefly.