'Endeavour' ITV 1

[LezLee]

I like the references to other programmes. A couple of series ago in a scene in Birmingham, they'd just been to a Crossroads Motel at Kings Oak, Birmingham.
A 2018 episode mentioned a Mrs Trellis, I don't know if she was from North Wales though.

[Nick Armstrong]

Just spluttered my coffee!

Feel free to send me any dry-cleaning bills

I'd forgotten that exchange!

[LezLee]

A surprise from Shaun Evans:

https://www.pbs.org/video/roger-and-anton-n2akpd/

[Richard Tarleton]

A surprise from Shaun Evans:

https://www.pbs.org/video/roger-and-anton-n2akpd/

Indeed!

[antongould]

Probably just me ..... but has it not gone a bit sloppy, soppy and contrived ..... ????

[LMcD]

Probably just me ..... but has it not gone a bit sloppy, soppy and contrived ..... ????

Not just you! The pace of last night's episode was positively - or do I mean negatively - glacial, to the extent that I was afraid the whole thing would come to a grinding halt. One of 'Endeavour's besetting sins IMHO is that it tries to pack too much into each episode so that none of the storylines is satisfactorily developed. Last night we had racism/nationalism/marital relationships/extra-marital relationships/work relationships/ alternative therapy and the 'Towpath Whistler'. There was some VERY clunky dialogue as Morse tried to distance himself from his friend whom he met at the opera - which, her husband says, she hates.

[DracoM]

Sloppy isn't the word - downright cynical and pathetic on last night's showing which I turned off in disgust.
Roger Alam is one of THE very best actors on stage or screen and for him to have to trog through such tenth rate stuff is embarrassing.

[eighthobstruction]

Sloppy isn't the word - downright cynical and pathetic on last night's showing which I turned off in disgust.
Roger Alam is one of THE very best actors on stage or screen and for him to have to trog through such tenth rate stuff is embarrassing.

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[gradus]

After last night's episode I am forming the impression that the show is really about the Roger Allam and Anton Lesser characters with Morse as an afterthought.

[DracoM]

Yes indeed......though BOTH Lesser and Allam deserve far, far better than this. Still, I suppose it's keeping seriously good actors in the public eye, so...?

[LMcD]

Roger Allam's son William played Gary Rogers. Having just thoroughly enjoyed 'Conversations From A Long Marriage' (highly recommended!) on Radio 4, it is indeed sad to see Roger Allam's talents being wasted on such a one-dimensional character as Fred Thursday.

[Andrew]

Agreed! I've just watched it on ITV catchup & was singularly unimpressed, which is a pity, because all the previous episodes have been excellent and of a much higher standard than "Lewis". As I understand it, it's a 2 parter, and I've the next part to view later; let's hope for an improvement.....

[LMcD]

Agreed! I've just watched it on ITV catchup & was singularly unimpressed, which is a pity, because all the previous episodes have been excellent and of a much higher standard than "Lewis". As I understand it, it's a 2 parter, and I've the next part to view later; let's hope for an improvement.....

It is actually the 2nd of 3 linked episodes. Episode 1 starts in Venice, where Endeavour meets his lady friend at the opera.

[LHC]

Agreed! I've just watched it on ITV catchup & was singularly unimpressed, which is a pity, because all the previous episodes have been excellent and of a much higher standard than "Lewis". As I understand it, it's a 2 parter, and I've the next part to view later; let's hope for an improvement.....

I’m not sure I would describe all the previous episodes as “excellent”. The last series was OK until the final episode’s silly gunfight at the OK corral ending, but the series before that (the one with the CGI tiger) was dire.

Its only really worth watching for Allam and Lesser.
K

[eighthobstruction]

....i watched this just for old times sake....and chuckled and tutted incredulously through the 2 hours....Number of ridiculous coincidences #45 and a half, high body count....+ 3 at least in hospita....clunky dialoguel....blaa blaa....over 4-5 series what was the draw, what did it have going for it? - a few good actors, Oxford, a few anagrams....