Sherlock BBC1

[Anna]

I reckon Ferney and Vints are Moffat & Gatiss in disguise and have already written episode 1 of the new series! Last night's episode really was rather good.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

a canny spot there Anna

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I reckon Ferney and Vints are Moffat & Gatiss in disguise

Ah, but which is which?

[teamsaint]

I enjoyed the two I saw, and I am a Sherlockian purist.

However, is it just me, or does almost all BBC drama have a very specific "BBC" ishness to it these days.....which principally manifests itself as appearing to be aimed at an audience of maximum age 28 ?

[Mr Pee]

I can understand why Cali and Anna have found it "flip" - but I just don't agree: I found the whole series utterly enjoyable and the last episode a terrific - and often terrifying - reworking of the original. Steve Thompson and Andrew Scott re-created Moriaty as a chilling psychopath (Eric Porter in the Brett series was just too Ruthen Murgatroyd for me) who came so close to annihilating Holmes' reputation and identity; Martin Freeman was compelling as the distraught Watson; and Benedict Cumberbatch gave so much with so little - the simplest twitch of the eye and you could see his confidence crumbling away from him: his real terror, not that others would cease to believe in him, but that he himself would.

And the whole series worked as a unit, Stephen Moffatt (as he does with Dr Who building a complete story through the different episodes), showing us Holmes confused by his own sexuality in the first story, by his own fear in the second and by his own "self" (all those comments by Moriaty, "You're me" worming their way into his psyche) in the third.


And the ending (SPOILER ALERT) - I reckon Molly was involved in some kind of rig-up: it was she, wasn't it who ran into Watson on the bike at the end? But I haven't a clue how, and I bet the "reveal" is brilliant!

Great Stuff!

Ah- Elementary my dear Ferneyhoughgeliebte!! Very well deduced- you may well be onto something there! And of course Sherlock did tell Molly he needed her toward the end, didn't he? I don't think he's ever admitted to needing anyone before. I will be awaiting the third series with bated breath to get the full "reveal". I can't wait for Watson to see Sherlock again.

I thought this third episode was an absolute tour de force; I can't remember the last time 90 minutes of television kept me so transfixed. And wasn't the Rossini fun during Moriarty's escapade at the Tower?

Thankyou BBC. I can almost forgive you for "The Royal Bodyguard".......

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I will be awaiting the third series with bated breath to get the full "reveal". I can't wait for Watson to see Sherlock again.

I thought this third episode was an absolute tour de force; I can't remember the last time 90 minutes of television kept me so transfixed. And wasn't the Rossini fun during Moriarty's escapade at the Tower?

Thankyou BBC. I can almost forgive you for "The Royal Bodyguard".......

Well, let's not get carried away!

[Nick Armstrong]

I can understand why Cali and Anna have found it "flip" - but I just don't agree: I found the whole series utterly enjoyable and the last episode a terrific - and often terrifying - reworking of the original. Steve Thompson and Andrew Scott re-created Moriaty as a chilling psychopath (Eric Porter in the Brett series was just too Ruthen Murgatroyd for me) who came so close to annihilating Holmes' reputation and identity; Martin Freeman was compelling as the distraught Watson; and Benedict Cumberbatch gave so much with so little - the simplest twitch of the eye and you could see his confidence crumbling away from him: his real terror, not that others would cease to believe in him, but that he himself would.

Great Stuff!

I've watched last night's third episode and I agree, I thought it was terrific, a real return to the form of series 1. Much more atmospheric and dense, less of the "flip" (i.e. gimmicks and jokes) and plotted to keep the viewer guessing à la Conan Doyle. And a brilliantly worked-out conclusion, beautifully performed. An additional frisson for me, I'm very familiar with the location for the ending outside Bart's / Smithfield (best sausage sarnies in London available from Beppe's just opposite )

I still don't buy Moriarty entirely, on his showing from the end of that rather silly swimming pool climax to series 1 - but his rôle allowed him to be more effective in this latest instalment. I just wish there was a more convincing lead up over the course of the previous episodes. I just didn't believe his status as a fearsome master criminal... but others clearly did, so no doubt it's just a personal problem with the casting. I don't ask for a melodramatic Eric Porter type - and I get that he was supposed to be a scarily neurotic psychopath of a similar vintage to Holmes - but he came across to me as a camp, rather irritating student. i simply couldn't believe in him as a master criminal.

And the ending (SPOILER ALERT) - I reckon Molly was involved in some kind of rig-up: it was she, wasn't it who ran into Watson on the bike at the end? But I haven't a clue how, and I bet the "reveal" is brilliant!

Wow... Great spot ferney and vinrouge Didn't occur to me. but yes - the only thing I spotted was how someone round the "body" prevented Watson taking Holmes's pulse. But yes - the "I need you" line back in the lab stacks up with what you say. I've gone back and freeze-framed my BBConeHD recording and the cyclist who upended Watson is definitely a bloke... So I presume Molly mobilised colleagues to remove / substitute the body and send Watson flying (plus he didn't have a straight view of the Holmes's 'landing' on the pavement I don't think)... I think verredevin might be going a bit far with the idea of surreptitious injections with hallucinogens... but we shall see...

[Richard Tarleton]

As an aside, Andrew Scott bears a spooky resemblance, physically and vocally, and in his mannerisms, to Enrico Colantoni who plays Malthasar, leader of the Thermians, in the sublime Galaxy Quest .

[Mr Pee]

Wow... Great spot ferney and vinrouge Didn't occur to me. but yes - the only thing I spotted was how someone round the "body" prevented Watson taking Holmes's pulse. But yes - the "I need you" line back in the lab stacks up with what you say. I've gone back and freeze-framed my BBConeHD recording and the cyclist who upended Watson is definitely a bloke... So I presume Molly mobilised colleagues to remove / substitute the body and send Watson flying (plus he didn't have a straight view of the Holmes's 'landing' on the pavement I don't think)... I think verredevin might be going a bit far with the idea of surreptitious injections with hallucinogens... but we shall see...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9017829/Sherlock-How-did-Holmes-fake-his-own-death.html

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

we may have missed a clue

[Anna]

we may have missed a clue

I intend to (feed a cold and starve a fever) after a super hot curry to watch the repeat on BBC3 and then .......... ponder on life, meaning and duplicity

[johncorrigan]

Brilliant to see the repeat of the first season of Cumberbatch and Freeman's H&W which started on BBC3 last night - such quality television, great acting and intelligent and humorous scripts. They're a wonderful Holmes and Watson combination.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00t8wp0

[Mr Pee]

Brilliant to see the repeat of the first season of Cumberbatch and Freeman's H&W which started on BBC3 last night - such quality television, great acting and intelligent and humorous scripts. They're a wonderful Holmes and Watson combination.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00t8wp0

[Resurrection Man]

Intriguingly they re-edited the closing seconds of the last Episode where Watson is at Sherlock's graveside. Of course, we all know that Sherlock as survived but these closing scenes confirm it as the new sequence is a long shot of Watson dejectedly walking away from the grave and the camera pans (tracks) left to show a living, breathing Sherlock.

How did Sherlock survive? Well, remember towards the end of episode 3 he approached Mollie and she asked him what did he want and he replied 'You'? We never knew why. But I think vinteuil has already nailed it.

[Mr Pee]

Intriguingly they re-edited the closing seconds of the last Episode where Watson is at Sherlock's graveside. Of course, we all know that Sherlock as survived but these closing scenes confirm it as the new sequence is a long shot of Watson dejectedly walking away from the grave and the camera pans (tracks) left to show a living, breathing Sherlock.

That sounds exactly like the original ending as first broadcast. In what way was it re-edited?