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  • Nick Armstrong
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    • Nov 2010
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    "Great Expectations" (BBC1, 2011)

    I have just finished watching the first of the three parts of this new adaptation by Sarah Phelps. In general terms I found it a fascinating and utterly gripping version of the story... especially when one was actually watching it, thanks to the wonderful look of the production and camera-work.

    On reflection afterwards, I became aware of some things missing (apart from the inevitable compression of the cast of smaller characters in Dickens's novel). Prime among the elements missing, for me, was the alleviation of humour which is so intrinsic to the Dickensian experience. One scene which is funny in the book (and the Lean film) is the first encounter between Pip and Herbert. Instead of a funny, pugnacious stripling, Herbert was a rather bizarre sneering Fauntleroy... and the scene was humourless and rather went for naught.

    I suspect it is a conscious decision to make the whole thing dark (evidenced by the ominous black butterfly at the end of the handsome opening titles): even the Mrs Gargery of the book isn't as odious and violent as the character we see in this production.

    So whilst gripping at the time, an element of complexity is missing. Likewise when Pip leaves at the end of part one: in the book, one senses he is deeply torn at leaving Joe and the forge. The leave-taking is much more touching and complex ("in a moment with a strong heave and sob I broke into tears. It was by the finger-post at the end of the village, and I laid my hand upon it, and said, 'Goodbye, O my dear, dear friend!' ") than in the adaptation, in which one senses that Pip has already left, mentally... a brief embrace of Joe, and he's off in his coach. It's odd, since the emotional bond between Pip and Joe was very well done early on.

    I was totally convinced by the Gillian Anderson 'Havisham'.... less so by the casting of the older Pip and Estella, so far at least: as the Telegraph reviewer says, it's hard to believe that Dickens intended Pip to be prettier than Estella. As Anna has said elsewhere herein, the lantern-jawed, pouting 'model' look of Pip is a bit o.t.t. I think. The Telegraph reviewer (Anne Billson) is funny about it: "if I were a Miss Havisham as young as Anderson I would have thought to hell with his background and married him on the spot, just so I could gaze at him over the breakfast table."

    However, these reservations are minimal compared with the visual and visceral enjoyment of the adaptation as a piece of dramatic interpretation, making well nigh the most of the possibilities and limitations of its medium.

    (PS: Great turn as Jaggers by D Suchet - I like a good gravelly mysterious lawyer - but I regret the apparent absence from this adaptation of the Agèd P - a watchword in our house since I were a lad a-growin' by the forge.... )
    Last edited by Nick Armstrong; 28-12-11, 21:02. Reason: Anna used the "p" word first !
    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    #2
    I agree with your enthusiasm and reservations, Cali. But I'd say MrsG is far more violent in the novel than here - Tickler is another "character" excised from this production! And Shaun Dooley invests Joe with greater dignity than the "comic relief" he often seems to provide in adaptations. But what is he going to do without Biddy?
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    • Nick Armstrong
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      • Nov 2010
      • 26540

      #3
      Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
      I agree with your enthusiasm and reservations, Cali. But I'd say MrsG is far more violent in the novel than here - Tickler is another "character" excised from this production! And Shaun Dooley invests Joe with greater dignity than the "comic relief" he often seems to provide in adaptations. But what is he going to do without Biddy?

      Yes, my own Agèd P has just remarked on the absence of Tickler... but at the same time, it is a humourous as well as a sinister 'character', the omission of which is part of the darker thrust I think.

      I confess I'd totally forgotten about Biddy and didn't miss her!
      "...the isle is full of noises,
      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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      • Anna

        #4
        I told you, Herbert Pocket! Hours ago! Wrong, wrong, wrong! Pip's leaving of the villlage, where was that covered? And the purchasing of the new suit? And sneaking out? As almost ashamed to meet the eyes of Joe. And, of course I like a good gravelly mysterious lawyer, but Jaggers is a trifle more perfumed you will admit than gravelly, and if they miss out the Aged Parent and Wemmick, well! Unforgiveable. And, where is Biddy and where is the Larks! And it were I that said Pip looks like a pouting male model for some poncey French cologne! Orlicks is spot on though, mean and brutal. We shall see, Episode 2, and Biddy is vital to Pip's upbringing and a bringing to his senses!

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        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
          Gone fishin'
          • Sep 2011
          • 30163

          #5
          Originally posted by Anna View Post
          And the purchasing of the new suit?
          Traddles' Boy! I'd forgotten him!
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          • Anna

            #6
            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
            Traddles' Boy! I'd forgotten him!
            Exactly! Traddles' Boy. What a little gem! Love him for his insolence! You know, you cannot condense Dickens into 3 hours, this is the problem.

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            • Nick Armstrong
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              • Nov 2010
              • 26540

              #7
              Originally posted by Anna View Post
              I told you, Herbert Pocket! Hours ago! Wrong, wrong, wrong! Pip's leaving of the villlage, where was that covered? And the purchasing of the new suit? And sneaking out? As almost ashamed to meet the eyes of Joe. And, of course I like a good gravelly mysterious lawyer, but Jaggers is a trifle more perfumed you will admit than gravelly, and if they miss out the Aged Parent and Wemmick, well! Unforgiveable. And, where is Biddy and where is the Larks! And it were I that said Pip looks like a pouting male model for some poncey French cologne! Orlicks is spot on though, mean and brutal. We shall see, Episode 2, and Biddy is vital to Pip's upbringing and a bringing to his senses!

              I haven't seen you on the subject of Herbert Pocket, Anna, but that we should think the same about that, as well as about the overly gorgeous pouting Pip, is not a surprise! It's happened before and it will happen again!

              It didn't strike me that Jaggers is 'perfumed'.... I thought he was just sinister and perfectly pitched. I loved the "You are not my clients. I am for my clients"

              By the way, I thought that the panic attack by Miss Havisham at not being able to go downstairs because the Pockets were there, was heart-rending.

              Just watching that section again... the bleached, wasted colour of the scenes inside and around Satis House is superb, I think - can't take my eyes off it.
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • Nick Armstrong
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                • Nov 2010
                • 26540

                #8
                Originally posted by Anna View Post
                Exactly! Traddles' Boy. What a little gem! Love him for his insolence! You know, you cannot condense Dickens into 3 hours, this is the problem.
                True... But it becomes a different work of art, in the best cases, with its own validity. CD was not averse to dramatic versions and performances of extracts (not least by himself).
                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                  Gone fishin'
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 30163

                  #9
                  Yes: it's a reinterpretation rather than an "adaptation". They've missed out the comedy and emphasized the Gothic which I think works in its own terms.
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                  • DracoM
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                    • Mar 2007
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                    #10
                    < said Pip looks like a pouting male model for some poncey French cologne! >

                    Absolutely spot on!! And such a fantastic anti-climax after the VERY good indeed Young Pip. Older one utterly wrong for the part IMO. And as said upthread, the bewilderingly wrong first Herbert Pocket encounter and an actor made to look so NOT Herbert Pocket as described in the book ! Given that he is to be such an important figure, to excise that fisticuffs bout which in fact starts off the most enduring and life-long friendship in the book was actually unforgivable.

                    Joe I liked, but the Joe they have in this version would never let that psychopathic and delusional social climber Mrs G lord it over him. Over the BOOK Joe, yes, of course.

                    Miss Havisham is not unhinged enough for me, and much too pretty. Twiggy-esque decay-chic. And Estella has about as much sexual mystery as a glass of water, so I suppose she and that wimpy Pip deserve each other.

                    Magwitch and Compeyson totally wonderful and the marshes scenes brilliantly shot too - far and away the best thing about it all so far.

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                    • Anna

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Caliban View Post

                      I haven't seen you on the subject of Herbert Pocket, Anna, but that we should think the same about that, as well as about the overly gorgeous pouting Pip is not a surprise! It's happened before and it will happen again!

                      It didn't strike me that Jaggers is 'perfumed'.... I thought he was just sinister and perfectly pitched. I loved the "You are not my clients. I am for my clients"
                      I said about Herbert on the other thread. OK, you win, we don't love overly gorgeous pouting blokes! But, Jaggers, always washing his hands in perfumed soap and drying with silken kerchiefs? You must remember this ..... And, he said, in the Novel, "My name is Jaggers, and I am a lawyer in London. I am pretty well known. I have unusual business to transact with you! And, then, in the dinner with Pip and Pocket, did he not keep washing his hands with perfumed soap whilst being beastly to the maid and causing her harm whilst maintaining his sexual hold over her?

                      Edit: Whoops, got me Feminist boots on again!
                      Last edited by Guest; 28-12-11, 20:55.

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                      • PatrickOD

                        #12
                        Not at all impressed, I'm afraid. I only stuck it until the cards game. Young Pip the only convincing character for me, and the marshes felt right. Magwich was too knowing too soon; Joe was too strong compared to Mrs.Joe; there was a total lack of humour; Estella's big first moment at the gate was botched; (Oh! Come back Jean Simmons!) and Miss Havisham hogged the stage at every opportunity, revealed her hand immediately,and seemed quite sane and calculating; and then all the changes to the sequence of events and the appearance of characters. Sorry. Anyway, I'm in the middle of reading the novel so I'll stick to that.

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                        • Anna

                          #13
                          they say there is to be a diffenent ending to the book ....... Anyone guess what that will be? I hate scrip writers mucking about, you cannot muck about with Dickens
                          Last edited by Guest; 28-12-11, 22:01.

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                          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                            Gone fishin'
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 30163

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Anna View Post
                            they say there is to be a diffenent ending to the book ....... Anyone guess what that will be?
                            Of course! Why else miss out Biddy?
                            ESTELLA MARRIES JOE!!
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                            • Anna

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                              Of course! Why else miss out Biddy?
                              ESTELLA MARRIES JOE!!
                              Oh, ferney! You is a rubbish script writer! But you made me giggle! No, Estella married Orlicks! And Joe had a Civil Ceremony with Pumblechook, and Herbert, he went off into the sunset with Aged Parent and a drawbridge and a cannon. Jaggers became a LadyBoy in Shoreditch. Biddy, probably became the Mayor of Casterbridge.

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