Painting: Music is an art but......

[salymap]

Thanks for putting your partner's website link on here. Lovely use of colour, I shalllook again later. Thanks JoeG

[Chris Newman]

Hi, JoeG. As salymap says thank you very much for showing your partner's work here. I do envy those artists with a very distinctive and effective style. I am still working on that and have a long way to go.

Morning, saly,
Just off to my Friday lesson. Hope to catch you later.

Cheers,
Chris.

[Paul Sherratt]

Style.
Is it art ?

[Chris Newman]

QUOTE=Paul Sherratt;11616]Style.
Is it art ?
[/QUOTE]

Not the whole of art but surely it is a part of yourself and what you aim at? You are certainly keeping me on my toes, Paul. Thanks, it's rather like being on a correspondence course. As long as you don't send me a bill.

[sigolene euphemia]

JoeG

I have enjoyed viewing your partner's art. Urban architecture. Weather. Renewal and Decay.

Perhaps there will be a time when she would take an apprenticeship in lithography at the Tamarind Institute in New Mexico.

warm wishes,
Sigolene

[eighthobstruction]

Eyup lad....s'Bradford....

....I've had 2 exhibitions at South Square too....

[JoeG]

Ah - recently?

[eighthobstruction]

yes solo in the big gallery upstairs 2005 and shared it with my partner 2007 ....i really like the people who run it....as you must know you have to take it for what it IS....i.e. on the edge of Bradford, and off the beaten track but I like it there, and i'd say it's on the up in the quality of ex's it's had of late....I was there a couple of weeks ago for their Salon Show....but it seems you have known it longer than I....

[JoeG]

We've had been to the occasional preview over the years but about 4 years ago Fiona was invited to be a member of Unit 9 who have the small downstairs gallery. I was at the salon preview but as it was the same night as Fiona's preview did not get much time to look round - and it was very crowded up there!

[eighthobstruction]

Yep, I usually go during the week, i do not like crowds....

[madamesuggia]

An interesting thread Chris,

I like your brushwork very much, and you use tone very well

Here's one of my paintings which was painted in between two wonderful Mahler prom concerts this year.

http://www.mattunderwood.info/paintings/what-the-flowers-in-the-meadow-tell-me

I find live music particularly stimulating for my work.

[salymap]

Afternoon Chris, Have heard rumours of some forth coming paints of Prague from you. Looking forward to seeing them in duecourse. Too dark to photograph them surely. I miss hornspieler's Troovi site Itshould be on here too IMO.

[sigolene euphemia]

Hi !

Maybe appropriate thread or do I need to start a new thread here .. .. .. ?

I would like to have a conversation on this ruling by the European Commission of the tax classification of this "light sculpture". I spent considerable time trying to figure out the very first light art of Leo Villareal I saw in New Mexico; if it was art or not, since my concept was coloured with having had a dad who used a beam of light to develop chemical lasers.

From Artfino
16th December 2010

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/36594/europe-rules-that-dan-flavin-and-bill-viola-artworks-are-not-art/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+artinfo-all

BRUSSELS— Arguments about what does or doesn't constitute art come and go all the time, but it's rare that an aesthetic judgment actually acquires the force of law. But that's exactly what happened when the European Commission ruled that installations by Dan Flavin and Bill Viola cannot be classified as "art" by the galleries importing them. Instead of being subject to the five percent VAT (value-added tax) on artworks, such pieces will be taxed at the standard VAT, which will rise to 20 percent in 2011.

The issue first arose when Haunch of Venison imported six disassembled video installations by Viola into the United Kingdom in 2006 and also sought to import a light sculpture by Flavin, the Art Newspaper reports. The British customs office refused to apply the five percent tax rate for artworks, instead taxing the gallery £36,000 ($66,000). Haunch of Venison appealed this decision before the British VAT and Duties Tribunal and prevailed in 2008. But the European Commission decision has now reversed this British ruling, and applies to all European Union members.

In its decision, the European Commission describes the Flavin work as having "the characteristics of lighting fittings... and is therefore to be classified... as wall lighting fittings." In a discussion of Viola's work that really split hairs, the commission stated that Viola's video-sound installation cannot be considered sculpture "as it is not the installation that constitutes a 'work of art' but the result of the operations (the light effect) carried out by it."

The commission's insistence on seeing the Flavin and Viola installations purely as technical parts removed from any artistic context has raised eyebrows in artistic and judicial circles alike. Art lawyer Pierre Valentin, who represented Haunch of Venison in 2008 but is not involved in the current case, called the reasoning "absurd," according to the Art Newspaper. "To suggest, for example, that a work by Dan Flavin is a work of art only when switched on, is comical," he said. Valentin also referred to previous decisions by the U.K. and the Netherlands and said that this ruling conflicts with previous rulings of the European Court of Justice.

The ruling is not the first time a nation has embarrassed itself through an unsubtle appreciation of art at the customs office. Escorting a shipment of art to the United States in 1926, Marcel Duchamp was alerted by U.S. customs officials that Constantin Brancusi's "Bird in Space" — the seminal abstract tapered bronze sculpture — was not an artwork but rather fell under the classification of "Kitchen Utensils and Hospital Supplies" and was subject to that category's higher tariff. The photographer and art dealer Edward Steichen, who owned the work, brought the case to court.

The famous legal drama — in which Steichen's attorney fees were paid by Peggy Guggenheim — ended in November 1928 when a judge ruled that " while some difficulty might be encountered in associating it [the sculpture] with a bird, it is nevertheless pleasing to look at and highly ornamental, and as we hold under the evidence that it is the original production of a professional sculptor and is in fact a piece of sculpture and a work of art according to the authorities above referred to, we sustain the protest and find that it is entitled to free entry."

[Chris Newman]

I agree, saly. HS's Troovi site should be here but I would not dream of adding it on his behalf without his permission.

[sigolene euphemia]

Well, Chris and saly, HS offered his Troovi site and email on the last messages of the BBC radio3 messageboards. I do believe I could email him and ask his permission. Never having done this, what do you feel the ethics should be ? I do miss HS as well as KCII.

kind regards,
sigolene