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  • Bryn
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    • Mar 2007
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    #31
    Originally posted by Alison View Post
    I found that a very moving documentary, calm and honest like the great man himself.

    Thomas Allen’s contribution perhaps the highlight for me.

    And Sarah Connolly
    Not in the mood to argue with any of that. I was pretty much transfixed. The thing is, why can I not seem to be able to find any form of video or even audio offering of the final Lucerne concert? Have I missed a trick, somewhere along the line?

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    • Alison
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      • Nov 2010
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      #32
      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
      Not in the mood to argue with any of that. I was pretty much transfixed. The thing is, why can I not seem to be able to find any form of video or even audio offering of the final Lucerne concert? Have I missed a trick, somewhere along the line?
      The Lucerne concert was broadcast one afternoon in the winter.

      No doubt you’re aware of the video of the Salzburg one.

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      • LMcD
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        • Sep 2017
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        #33
        Originally posted by Alison View Post
        I found that a very moving documentary, calm and honest like the great man himself.

        Thomas Allen’s contribution perhaps the highlight for me.

        And Sarah Connolly
        Couldn't agree more!

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        • Petrushka
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          • Nov 2010
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          #34
          Originally posted by Alison View Post
          The Lucerne concert was broadcast one afternoon in the winter.

          No doubt you’re aware of the video of the Salzburg one.
          The Lucerne concert was also broadcast live on Dutch Radio 4 which is where I caught it. The broadcast is still there but you will need to move forward about 30 minutes to catch the beginning of the concert: https://www.nporadio4.nl/4demiddag/u...jdagconcert-19

          Agree absolutely with your comments above, Alison. Thomas Allen's contribution was most illuminating. Haitink has always been rather reticent about the Nazi occupation years in Amsterdam and for a long time would not talk about what happened to his father so it was interesting to have more detail than I've previously heard from him
          Last edited by Petrushka; 26-09-20, 23:00. Reason: updated with link to Lucerne concert
          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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          • Pulcinella
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            • Feb 2014
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            #35
            Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
            The Lucerne concert was also broadcast live on Dutch Radio 4 which is where I caught it. The broadcast is still there but you will need to move forward about 30 minutes to catch the beginning of the concert: https://www.nporadio4.nl/4demiddag/u...jdagconcert-19

            Agree absolutely with your comments above, Alison. Thomas Allen's contribution was most illuminating. Haitink has always been rather reticent about the Nazi occupation years in Amsterdam and for a long time would not talk about what happened to his father so it was interesting to have more detail than I've previously heard from him
            Seconded.
            While I could understand the emphasis being primarily on Bruckner 7, I would have liked to have heard something about his Shostakovich symphony recordings; he must have had real empathy with the deprivations Leningrad endured, for example. I think that Turnage, who also made a good contribution, was the only one to mention Shostakovich.

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            • Bryn
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              • Mar 2007
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              #36
              Originally posted by Petrushka View Post
              The Lucerne concert was also broadcast live on Dutch Radio 4 which is where I caught it. The broadcast is still there but you will need to move forward about 30 minutes to catch the beginning of the concert: https://www.nporadio4.nl/4demiddag/u...jdagconcert-19

              Agree absolutely with your comments above, Alison. Thomas Allen's contribution was most illuminating. Haitink has always been rather reticent about the Nazi occupation years in Amsterdam and for a long time would not talk about what happened to his father so it was interesting to have more detail than I've previously heard from him
              Useful as such listening facilities are, I was referring not to the availability of radio or television broadcast but the lack of availability on Blu-ray, DVD, CD or lossless download. I find it puzzling that such have not, as yet, appeared.
              Last edited by Bryn; 28-09-20, 15:18. Reason: Removal of errant "been". Does that make me a been counter?

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              • Petrushka
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                • Nov 2010
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                #37
                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                Useful as such listening facilities are, I was referring not to the availability of radio or television broadcast but the lack of availability on Blu-ray, DVD, CD or lossless download. I find it puzzling that such have not been, as yet, appeared.
                Yes, I see your point now. I was surprised to see that the Salzburg performance was recorded for DVD rather than Haitink's truly final concert. However, it hadn't been known that it was to be Haitink's final performance until he declared it as such late in the day. It could therefore be that contracts etc had already been arranged to record the Salzburg performance. My own personal regret is that the Proms performance wasn't chosen as it seemed to me to be the best of the three.

                Perhaps the Lucerne concert will eventually appear on CD..
                "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                • LMcD
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                  • Sep 2017
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                  Seconded.
                  While I could understand the emphasis being primarily on Bruckner 7, I would have liked to have heard something about his Shostakovich symphony recordings; he must have had real empathy with the deprivations Leningrad endured, for example. I think that Turnage, who also made a good contribution, was the only one to mention Shostakovich.
                  I don't think Elgar or Vaughan Williams were mentioned either, were they - a pity, perhaps, in view of his proven love of this country and his recordings of their symphonies.

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                  • Petrushka
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                    I don't think Elgar or Vaughan Williams were mentioned either, were they - a pity, perhaps, in view of his proven love of this country and his recordings of their symphonies.
                    In a programme lasting 90 minutes it was inevitable that there would be lots not covered and no doubt some fascinating material ended up on the cutting room floor. Bridcut could undoubtedly have produced a programme twice the length and still not covered everything. As it was I think he did a very good job of homing in on what was most important without making Haitink any less of an enigmatic maestro of the title. I've been a Haitink watcher since 1973 and the enigma has always been part of the fascination.
                    "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                    • gurnemanz
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                      • Nov 2010
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                      #40
                      A revealing watch for me, for example, the insights into his troubled relationship with his homeland. My first CD bought in the same shop and at the same time as I bought my first CD player was his Mahler 4 with Concertgebouw and Elly Ameling, so for a short time it constituted my entire CD collection.

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                      • bluestateprommer
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                        • Nov 2010
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                        #41
                        Peter Quantrill has a very warmly appreciative review of this documentary at The Arts Desk:

                        Before his retirement last summer at the age of 90, Bernard Haitink worked magic on the podium, no one is in any doubt about that. Lining up one friend and musician after another to admit they don’t know how he does it hardly seems the most promising basis for a feature-length documentary. Yet John Bridcut’s film also works, rather like one of Haitink’s performances, by placing trust in his material and moulding its form with a nudge here, a pause there. The result, no less than his much admired portrait of Janet Baker, is worthy of its subject, and praise doesn’t come higher than that.


                        It does indeed sound a treat to watch, from all the comments here.

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                        • Petrushka
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                          • Nov 2010
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by bluestateprommer View Post
                          Peter Quantrill has a very warmly appreciative review of this documentary at The Arts Desk:

                          Before his retirement last summer at the age of 90, Bernard Haitink worked magic on the podium, no one is in any doubt about that. Lining up one friend and musician after another to admit they don’t know how he does it hardly seems the most promising basis for a feature-length documentary. Yet John Bridcut’s film also works, rather like one of Haitink’s performances, by placing trust in his material and moulding its form with a nudge here, a pause there. The result, no less than his much admired portrait of Janet Baker, is worthy of its subject, and praise doesn’t come higher than that.


                          It does indeed sound a treat to watch, from all the comments here.
                          Many thanks for highlighting that review, bsp. Quantrill is a fine writer and catches precisely the essence of this documentary. I do hope that you are able to watch it from your side of the Pond via the BBC i-player.
                          "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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                          • Pulcinella
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                            • Feb 2014
                            • 10877

                            #43
                            And, pace another thread (I forget which; pronunciation possibly, but might be in a comment about Breakfast or Essential Classics), we now know how a Dutchman pronounces Amsterdam.

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                            • Alison
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                              • Nov 2010
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                              #44
                              Does anyone on here know the Cherubini Requiem?

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                              • Petrushka
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                                • Nov 2010
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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Alison View Post
                                Does anyone on here know the Cherubini Requiem?
                                I have it with Riccardo Muti and the Philharmonia but haven't heard it in years.

                                However, you might be interested in this: https://pastdaily.com/2016/07/27/nic...ds-radio-1956/ It's a 1956 Holland Festival recording of Haitink conducting the Netherlands Radio Philharmonic Orchestra and presumably this was the performance that opened the door to his Concertgebouw debut, replacing an ailing Giulini, the following November. I've not listened to it so no idea of sound quality etc but recall it being on the Dutch Radio 4 website some time ago and I assume this is where the present recording came from.
                                "The sound is the handwriting of the conductor" - Bernard Haitink

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