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  • Rjw
    Full Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 117

    #31
    Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
    I have read the books (and agree with johnc that the third is less convincing) and I thought that the introductory explanations were quite helpful: perhaps we need to remember that the audience/viewers might in general be younger than those on this forum.
    I thought that the daemons were particularly well portrayed.
    Not sinister enough? Maybe, but Mrs Coulter's daemon looked pretty malevolent to me.
    I'm looking forward to future episodes, and encouraged to read the books again.

    PS: Five stars in this morning's Guardian, and four in The Times.
    When I was feeding my cat this morning and she was following me about I suddenly saw her in a different light.

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    • Serial_Apologist
      Full Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 37857

      #32
      Originally posted by Rjw View Post
      When I was feeding my cat this morning and she was following me about I suddenly saw her in a different light.
      Follow that cat!

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      • DracoM
        Host
        • Mar 2007
        • 12995

        #33
        Am re-reading the trilogy. I was sufficiently reluctant to praise this BBC adaptation to want to go back and re-imagine.

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        • jayne lee wilson
          Banned
          • Jul 2011
          • 10711

          #34
          Originally posted by Rjw View Post
          When I was feeding my cat this morning and she was following me about I suddenly saw her in a different light.
          Not called soulmates for nothing....what would we do without them...... some of them can be demons (especially on the treatment table) but Pullman's daemons are evidently a different conception....

          Reserving judgement on the TV-adapt for now (hitting wiki etc for elucidation/explication).... give it another ep or two....
          But often with the best TV Drama, it depends on how individual/memorable you make minor characters.......film/drama often lives by its cameos, often less noticed, not just the main thrust ...
          (re The Wire, GoT, Breaking Bad, True Detective etc...think of the Easy-Andy gun salesman scene in Taxi Driver...priceless
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duW5WhxKjQY)....
          Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 06-11-19, 21:10.

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          • gradus
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 5630

            #35
            Oo-er, I noticed that both cats were watching me when I turned round whilst planting bulbs this morning, one cat sat on the car the other on the ground, just staring. Sufficiently unusual for my neighbour to comment about them. Was their cover blown last Sunday night!?

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            • Nick Armstrong
              Host
              • Nov 2010
              • 26575

              #36
              Err... James Delingpole loved it...


              
              ’God awful: BBC1’s His Dark Materials reviewed

              Here’s your new Sunday night obsession…’ the BBC announcer purred, overintoned and mini-orgasmed, like she was doing an audition for a Cadbury’s Flake commercial, ‘… a dazzling drama with a stellar cast.’

              My hackles rose. Did no one ever mention to her the rule about ‘show not tell’? And my hackles were right. His Dark Materials has indeed become my Sunday night obsession: how can the BBC’s most-expensive-ever drama series possibly look, sound and feel so clunkingly, God-awfully, disappointingly flat?

              Yes, I know Philip Pullman’s trilogy is an extended, bitter rant against Christianity disguised as children’s entertainment. But I loved reading those novels, especially the first two, which may be meandering, obscure and mawkish in places but are nonetheless thrillingly imagined, deliciously dark and hauntingly evocative. When I finally saw the magnificence of Svalbard, I found myself thinking: ‘So this is where Iorek Byrnison lives!’ — and neither book nor landscape felt wanting in the comparison.

              But this HDM, to judge by episode one, is going to be as exciting as a grey fortnight becalmed in the doldrums with no wifi or cards or Pass the Pigs. Characters and settings appear with the same names they have in the books but it all feels perfunctory, done by numbers and slightly rushed. There’s no one — not even Lyra — that you can properly inhabit; the script is by turns leaden and, when it’s not being crudely expository, mystifying; the overblown score is dire. It just feels like odd, not particularly well-drawn or sympathetic individuals being manoeuvred, like chess pieces, through events which though exotic leave you cold, confused and bored.

              Since Pullman gets a production credit, I can only assume he’s on board with this travesty. My guess is that, a bit like J.K. Rowling — who decided way after the event and contrary to the evidence in the entire Harry Potterseries that Hermione is in fact black — he wishes that his books could have been a bit more woke than they actually were.

              So, in this TV adaptation, the master of Jordan College, Oxford is black and so is the King of the Gyptians. ‘This is fantasy,’ the defence will no doubt run, ‘so there need be no constraints on our near-compulsory colour-blind casting practice.’ Maybe, but is it really true to the vision of the books most of us read in the early Noughties? The Gyptians, for example, were patently Romanies — and gypsies by birth, rather than lifestyle choice. By interspersing them with black characters it makes a nonsense of one of the book’s most colourful plot strands.

              Even ten years ago a blockbuster BBC adaptation would have acknowledged this with quintessentially Romany sequences redolent of My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding, or a Guy Ritchie movie, or the outrageously bling Sinti family in Suburra. Now diversity casting has shoved its oar in — and had the counterintuitive effect of making everything look less diverse and more homogenous. I dread to think what they’ve done with the Armoured Bears: have they perhaps shoved in a few grizzlies to make them look less oppressively, uniformly white?

              That blockbuster BBC adaptation of yesteryear would also have been much, much pickier about its casting. It would have been like Game of Thrones: every player a star, often with a solid stage career behind them. But here, apart from Ruth Wilson’s nicely ambiguous, seductive yet horrible Mrs Coulter, it’s hard to find a performance (and this includes James McAvoy’s Lord Asriel, sadly) which is better than average. And some are absolute stinkers. As someone said on Twitter, it feels like an Islington school production, only done with a bigger budget.

              Not that you can actually see much of that budget. Sure, the CGI daemons (in Pullmanworld everyone has their animal familiar) are cute enough, but the aerial view of a flooded Oxford at the beginning looked like a video game landscape from about 20 years ago, before they nailed realism. Nor do I understand the stylistic inconsistencies: Lord Asriel landing in Oxford by a recognisably contemporary helicopter in the opening scene; then, just 12 years later, inhabiting a world which has suddenly come over all steampunk, with airships redolent of a retro-futuristic 1930s (something the unfairly maligned movie The Golden Compass captured so much more satisfyingly than this effort).

              We are, I fear, fast reaching the point when the initials BBC attached to any drama production no longer serve as a badge of quality but as a warning flag. Glancing — all I can bear — at World On Fire, it may be that we’ve passed that point already. Then again, Dublin Murders still has me hooked; and Giri/Haji is pleasingly strange (and I particularly love Will Sharpe’s half-Japanese rent boy character). But the best is long past and ahead looms only disappointment and eventual irrelevance.
              "...the isle is full of noises,
              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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              • vinteuil
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 12955

                #37
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                ... don't think Camilla Long much of a fan either :

                Something in my soul rejects Philip Pullman — one of his greatest fans is the peculiar, tedious gnome that is Rowan Williams, the former Archbishop of Canterbury. If you scan the internet, you will see crowds of similarly hairy, felty, virtuous people salivating beadily over his dull creative majesty. The BBC was so confident we’d fall blindly in love with its big new adaptation of his chilly heritage fantasy, His Dark Materials, complete with serious little children and colour-blind casting, it’s been described, by them, as “epic” and “stellar”, and “our new obsession”, for weeks on end now...

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                • teamsaint
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 25231

                  #38
                  Hmmmm. Well, it’s still ok. But “ it feels like it’s been on a long time “isn’t a ringing endorsement,even if it was at 8.55.

                  Feels like there is a bit of box ticking going on, but I’ll keep watching I think.

                  ( Camilla Long doesn’t sound very nice. But then you can get away with offensive stuff if you are an aristocrat I suppose).
                  I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                  I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                  • Bryn
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 24688

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                    Err... James Delingpole loved it...


                    
                    Let's face it, a negative review from a rabid climate change denier like Delingpole (not the brightest of Barts) is something of a feather in the BBC/Pulman's hat.

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                    • Nick Armstrong
                      Host
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 26575

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                      Let's face it, a negative review from a rabid climate change denier like Delingpole (not the brightest of Barts) is something of a feather in the BBC/Pulman's hat.
                      Certainly made me globally warm to the series

                      I’m watching it without having read any of the books (I seem to recall I tried, and thought ’not my thing’)...

                      I don’t really buy the Harry Potter / Fringe mash-up with a touch of Game of Thrones, but am sufficiently interested in the plot to stay with it to see what happens....
                      "...the isle is full of noises,
                      Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                      Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                      Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                      • johncorrigan
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 10424

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
                        Certainly made me globally warm to the series

                        I’m watching it without having read any of the books (I seem to recall I tried, and thought ’not my thing’)...

                        I don’t really buy the Harry Potter / Fringe mash-up with a touch of Game of Thrones, but am sufficiently interested in the plot to stay with it to see what happens....
                        I'm delighted by it, I have to say. The incident between the daemons was frightening, and we're starting to see the movement between the realities, earlier than I had recalled from reading the books all those tears ago. I found it very nicely chilling!

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                        • teamsaint
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 25231

                          #42
                          Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
                          I'm delighted by it, I have to say. The incident between the daemons was frightening, and we're starting to see the movement between the realities, earlier than I had recalled from reading the books all those tears ago. I found it very nicely chilling!
                          A case of read it and weep, JC ?
                          I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                          I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                          • johncorrigan
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 10424

                            #43
                            Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                            A case of read it and weep, JC ?
                            Meant to say beers ago, ts!

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                            • Bryn
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 24688

                              #44
                              Originally posted by johncorrigan View Post
                              Meant to say beers ago, ts!
                              Surely, bears ago?

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                              • vinteuil
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 12955

                                #45
                                Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                                Camilla Long doesn’t sound very nice. But then you can get away with offensive stuff if you are an aristocrat I suppose.
                                ... I also quite liked her line :

                                He keeps telling us everything he’s written is stolen from Milton, from Blake, from whatever was on the English A-level syllabus in the 1970s — and, indeed, these aren’t books or films, they’re lessons. They are the sort of thing your parents would love you to watch, if only to tell other parents you watch it.

                                .

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