Michel Houellebecq

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  • Bryn
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    • Mar 2007
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    #16
    Originally posted by Conchis View Post
    I've just finished it!

    Very unusual for me to read a book (admittedly, not a long one - 250 pages) in less than a day, but there was something about the author's style and the way he told his story that kept me turning the pages, even though Submission is far from being a conventional political 'thriller'.

    Some background: the year is 2022 and France is about to hold Presidential elections. The favourite is Marine Le Pen, the UMP are way behind and the only hope of preventing the National Front from gaining power would seem to be an alliance between the Socialists and a new, faith-based party the Muslim Brotherhood, led by a charismatic young leader who has utilised the internet and social media to gain a foothold among the young. When the election is postponed because of riots (making the narrator fearful that France is about to descend into civil war), a pact between the Socialists snd the Muslim brotherhood ensures an overwhelming victory for the Muslims, who ride to power one an 'anti-materialist' platform that proposes making 'the family' central to French life again and places renewed emphasis on 'spirituality' in Education. The upshot is that universities become Islamacised (ie, co-education is dropped, women are not allowed to teach and non-Muslims are removed from teaching positions, albeit with enhanced pensions). Saudi money flows into France to revitalise the economy.

    The narrator, a disillusioned middle-aged lecturer with an unsuccessful and depressing sex life, is dismissed from his post but is later re-recruited by his university whose new head makes a compelling case for all staff members to undergo Muslim conversion. One of the attractions is the idea of polygamy, which French manhood seems to take to like the proverbial duck to water - the idea of having 'three wives' ('We believe that's what someone of your economic status could support', trills the boss) appeals: a middle-aged one for intellectual companionship, a slightly younger one for household duties and a teenage one for bedroom duties. The new Musilm President, a Federalist who has his sights set on being eventual President of Europe, meanwhile goes about making overtures to entice countries like Morocco, Turkey (yep) and Egypty into the EU. The narrator is astounded at how skilfully the Muslim President has 'sold' Islam to the west and effectively put an end to French secularism.

    Important point: this outline might give the impression that the book is Islamophobic, a charge that has frequently been levelled at the author. That was not the impression I got when reading it. The narrator evinces a lot of admiration for the Muslim President, who is 'the only adult in the room', though his 'double agenda' is hiding in plain sight. His point being that a France weary of the tensions of recent years and the endless jockeying between centre-right and centre-left parties, might welcome the simple certainties of Islam as an alternative to the chaos of so-called democracy.

    I found the book utterly compelling, if hardly likeable. It IS somewhat spoiled by several revoting descriptions of sexual encounters (no-one has ever written about sex well, anyway) and the complete absence of the women's viewpoint is notable (we're left to imagine how all those female academics feel about being restricted to secretarial roles or housewifely duties). Still, the idea is quite persuasive and certainly thought-provoking. On that basis alone, I'd recommend it.
    Shades of Burgess's 1985, to which I should return, sometime.

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    • Ein Heldenleben
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      • Apr 2014
      • 6797

      #17
      By co-incidence I also finished Atomised today , having previously read Submission and Platform. I’ve Just downloaded The Map and The Terrority . Of the three I have read Atomised is by far the most intellectually demanding - a curious mixture of quasi- porn and philosophic -scientific treatise. I think it’s a masterpiece - profoundly bleak . Having just come back from a staggering performance of Les Dialogues Des Carmelites at the local Vue cinema its been a bit of a heavy day.

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      • Conchis
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        • Jun 2014
        • 2396

        #18
        Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
        By co-incidence I also finished Atomised today , having previously read Submission and Platform. I’ve Just downloaded The Map and The Terrority . Of the three I have read Atomised is by far the most intellectually demanding - a curious mixture of quasi- porn and philosophic -scientific treatise. I think it’s a masterpiece - profoundly bleak . Having just come back from a staggering performance of Les Dialogues Des Carmelites at the local Vue cinema its been a bit of a heavy day.
        You could make a case that the ending is somewhat optimistic, if not for the human race. I think the Epilogue justifies the whole book, and it's not often I feel that.

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        • sidneyfox
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          • Jan 2016
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          #19
          Originally posted by Conchis View Post
          Just finished Atomised, which Richard Barrett disliked intensely.

          To be sure, it's often a hard book to like and I had to (literally) gird my loins when M.H. launched upon yet another piece of excruciating sexual detail. Yet, like Submission, it's a tantalising and provocative 'novel of ideas' and its central thesis - that western civilisation is irredeemably decadent and deserves to be gently put out of its misery - is a compelling one. This is the first Houellebecq novel and probably the best introduction to his signature style and themes.
          Pretty much my view too, including the Spengleresque sub-plot central thesis. I think Richard could do worse than reread it - I also read it when it first came out and again about ten years ago.

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          • Conchis
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            • Jun 2014
            • 2396

            #20
            Originally posted by sidneyfox View Post
            Pretty much my view too, including the Spengleresque sub-plot central thesis. I think Richard could do worse than reread it - I also read it when it first came out and again about ten years ago.

            Spengler! Who remembers him nowadays?!?

            He as a big influence on Scott Fitzgerald in the final years of his (SF's) life, apparently.

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            • Conchis
              Banned
              • Jun 2014
              • 2396

              #21
              Just finished 'Platform' - my third Houellebecq in under a month. Three rich, disillusioned French entrepreneurs formulate a a sex tourism franchise in Thailand (they call it 'friendly tourism'), with tragic results. The Houllebecq combination as before - cynicism, despair, repulsive sexual detail, but you keep reading, suspecting you're in the hands of a master, not a charlatan. The ending is utterly bleak, but that's a given.

              Got to read more! The Possibility Of An Island is up next.....

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              • Ein Heldenleben
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                • Apr 2014
                • 6797

                #22
                Hi Conchis - like you on a bit of an MH odyssey. Just finished Whatever after reading The Map and the Terrority. Really recommend the latter . The former is a bit thin to be honest . I know it shouldn’t be a consideration but seven pounds odd for the 100 page kindle edition of The Possibility of An Island has slightly put me off....

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                • Conchis
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                  • Jun 2014
                  • 2396

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                  Hi Conchis - like you on a bit of an MH odyssey. Just finished Whatever after reading The Map and the Terrority. Really recommend the latter . The former is a bit thin to be honest . I know it shouldn’t be a consideration but seven pounds odd for the 100 page kindle edition of The Possibility of An Island has slightly put me off....


                  Possiblity.....was only £3.99 on Kindle when I last looked.

                  Having started with Submission, and then 'backtracked' to Atomised, I've decided to read the major novels in chronological order, so....Island is up next. Map....certainly sounds interesting, though.

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                  • Pianorak
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                    • Nov 2010
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                    #24
                    Finished Atomised last week and now starting Platform. I think Frank Wynne's outstanding translation of these two works deserves a special mention.
                    My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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                    • Conchis
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                      • Jun 2014
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Pianorak View Post
                      Finished Atomised last week and now starting Platform. I think Frank Wynne's outstanding translation of these two works deserves a special mention.

                      Yep - definitely with you on that, even though I've not read them in French. I never get the sense I'm reading a translation but Wynne seems to catch something essentially Gallic about the tone.

                      I note he didn't translate Submission, though, or the current one (Setotonin).

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                      • Ein Heldenleben
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                        • Apr 2014
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Conchis View Post
                        Possiblity.....was only £3.99 on Kindle when I last looked.

                        Having started with Submission, and then 'backtracked' to Atomised, I've decided to read the major novels in chronological order, so....Island is up next. Map....certainly sounds interesting, though.
                        Yep you are right and that’s because I’ve mixed up Lanzorote with POAI on the tenuous grounds that they are both about islands . In fact the latter is stonking comparative value at 300 pages plus. With you and Pianorak on the Wynne translations. The Map and the Terroritory had me in pain laughing out loud at the absurd New Year’s Eve party given by a leading ( real life ) French TV presenter.Houellebecq has absolutely nailed contemporary culture . Translating French humour ain’t easy. The transition in tone to the more complex narrative (don’t want to give too much away ) of the second half of the book is very well done.

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                        • Conchis
                          Banned
                          • Jun 2014
                          • 2396

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                          Yep you are right and that’s because I’ve mixed up Lanzorote with POAI on the tenuous grounds that they are both about islands . In fact the latter is stonking comparative value at 300 pages plus. With you and Pianorak on the Wynne translations. The Map and the Terroritory had me in pain laughing out loud at the absurd New Year’s Eve party given by a leading ( real life ) French TV presenter.Houellebecq has absolutely nailed contemporary culture . Translating French humour ain’t easy. The transition in tone to the more complex narrative (don’t want to give too much away ) of the second half of the book is very well done.
                          M.H. definitely has a sense of humour, for those who can take it. His trashing of (among others) Frederick Forsyth and Michael Jackson in Platform had me howling with laughter!

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                          • Conchis
                            Banned
                            • Jun 2014
                            • 2396

                            #28
                            In the past month, I have read The Possibility of an Island and The Map & The Territory.

                            Possibility ..... was the nearest reading a Houellebecq novel has ever come to feeling like a chore. As a story, it's far too similar to Atomised with elements of Platform included. For all that, I still finished it (400pages+) in less than a week.

                            Map....I enjoyed much more. For the first time, we get a sympathetic, if passive hero and Houellebecq's introduction of himself into the narrative is a bit of a triumph. A shocking twist, too. All in all, this may be the best M.H. novel I've read so far. I think it would benefit from a re-read.


                            I also read Whatever, which struck me as very minor stuff: hard to believe the man who wrote it when on to write Atomised.

                            Lanzartoe should be arriving in the post by this time next week: once I've read that (shouldn't' take long), it'll be a long wait until the English translation of Serotonin.

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                            • sidneyfox
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2016
                              • 94

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Conchis View Post
                              In the past month, I have read The Possibility of an Island and The Map & The Territory.

                              Possibility ..... was the nearest reading a Houellebecq novel has ever come to feeling like a chore. As a story, it's far too similar to Atomised with elements of Platform included. For all that, I still finished it (400pages+) in less than a week.

                              Map....I enjoyed much more. For the first time, we get a sympathetic, if passive hero and Houellebecq's introduction of himself into the narrative is a bit of a triumph. A shocking twist, too. All in all, this may be the best M.H. novel I've read so far. I think it would benefit from a re-read.


                              I also read Whatever, which struck me as very minor stuff: hard to believe the man who wrote it when on to write Atomised.

                              Lanzartoe should be arriving in the post by this time next week: once I've read that (shouldn't' take long), it'll be a long wait until the English translation of Serotonin.
                              I have the English translation of Serotonin on my Kindle (preorder) and it's available as a hardback for £15.99 from Amazon (next month). No need for long wait.

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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                #30
                                Originally posted by sidneyfox View Post
                                I have the English translation of Serotonin on my Kindle (preorder) and it's available as a hardback for £15.99 from Amazon (next month). No need for long wait.
                                Wow! Is it August already? Amazon gives the publication/availability date as 26 September.

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