Young Musician 2018 Grand Final

[french frank]

Could it be that the naff presentation about which I went off on one (post 17)immediately after the programme is the prodcuers' reaction to being ghettoised in BBC4, when they really want to be the new Bake Off (Bach, Orff? :big grin:) on BBC1 primetime?

But it's just the gradual process towards popularisation. Who remembers BBC Two when it broadcast chess and bridge matches (or Play for Today on BBC One)? Now look at BBC Four - old Top of the Pops recordings. And precisely because everyone has digital television, it attracts everyone - rather than those who might have bought a digital set purely to watch the serious arts and culture programmes ('serious' referring to the treatment, not the subject btw). And once you're catering for everyone … LCD.

[oddoneout]

But it's just the gradual process towards popularisation. Who remembers BBC Two when it broadcast chess and bridge matches (or Play for Today on BBC One)? Now look at BBC Four - old Top of the Pops recordings. And precisely because everyone has digital television, it attracts everyone - rather than those who might have bought a digital set purely to watch the serious arts and culture programmes ('serious' referring to the treatment, not the subject btw). And once you're catering for everyone … LCD.

Doesn't follow that all channels have to be dumbed down though; in fact given the multitude available it should be easier to cater for the (perceived - I doubt it's as cut and dried as those in charge seem to think) less popular subjects.

[ardcarp]

Now look at BBC Four - old Top of the Pops recordings.

That makes me so cross. Couldn't a slot on a Friday night be reserved for music?

[LMcD]

... who HB?

Can't be Hector Berlioz, perhaps Harrison Birtwistle?

I dunno...


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Play It Again, Sam....

[Bergonzi]

Yes, Humphrey Bogart is spot on.

[french frank]

Doesn't follow that all channels have to be dumbed down though; in fact given the multitude available it should be easier to cater for the (perceived - I doubt it's as cut and dried as those in charge seem to think) less popular subjects.

Correction: All channels should not be dumbed down: the BBC believes everything has to be dumbed down as far as is possible. We see from R3 that less and less airtime is given over to 'serious' (again, treatment not subject) programmes. It was specified in the commissioning brief that Essential Classics was for an audience with 'a broad interest in mainstream classical music'; i.e. not an audience which has a serious interest, or even a narrow interest, in and knowledge of classical music, including contemporary and non-mainstream. And expects it to be presented in an appropriate tone and style.

[MrGongGong]

BBC One and BBC Two get bigger audiences. But that's why Young Musician, the Proms &c are on BBC Four: they don't attract big enough audiences and the BBC is afraid viewers will switch to a commercial channel if something like that is on a popular one

I don't think most people pay much attention to which "channel" things are on.
The youngsters I know (my own 20 somethings and their contemporaries) simply skip through them all to find something that grabs them.

[french frank]

I don't think most people pay much attention to which "channel" things are on.
The youngsters I know (my own 20 somethings and their contemporaries) simply skip through them all to find something that grabs them.

Doesn't alter the fact that BBC ONE & TWO and ITV get the biggest audiences i.e. more people watch them.

BBC Four's programmes are buried down among the others (E4, Dave &c.). See VIEW FIGURES

[ardcarp]

One wonders, Gongers, how long traditional 'broadcasting' on 'channels' will survive. The teenagers in our house watch most stuff online...Netflix, etc. I reckon the best way for the BBC to be different is to broadcast more live stuff. It seems sport is the only thing that regularly gets live coverage.

Is there any reason why the so-called Grand Final of YM couldn't have been live?

[LMcD]

One wonders, Gongers, how long traditional 'broadcasting' on 'channels' will survive. The teenagers in our house watch most stuff online...Netflix, etc. I reckon the best way for the BBC to be different is to broadcast more live stuff. It seems sport is the only thing that regularly gets live coverage.

Is there any reason why the so-called Grand Final of YM couldn't have been live?

Presumably the producer wished to be able to edit the programme so as to remain within the allocated time slot. Viewers who are waiting for a particular programme or wish to record it tend to get annoyed when the previous programme overruns.

[gurnemanz]

I find that if I don't make a point of watching programmes as they go out I often don't get around to watching them at all. Eg I have several recent recommended series waiting in line on the hard drive, eg latest Line of Duty, McMafia, Woman in White and I suspect they will eventually go by the board. Finding a time to watch that suits both of us is also an impediment.

[french frank]

Presumably the producer wished to be able to edit the programme so as to remain within the allocated time slot. Viewers who are waiting for a particular programme or wish to record it tend to get annoyed when the previous programme overruns.

That would figure. YM is allocated a Fixed Slot every two years and is not allowed to overrun. Unlike some other events.

[MrGongGong]

That would figure. YM is allocated a Fixed Slot every two years and is not allowed to overrun. Unlike some other events.

If people REALLY want to know
I can find out for you

[french frank]

If people REALLY want to know
I can find out for you

A blog, with comments, which is relevant. If it's pre-recorded and fits into a fixed slot it's a fixed slot. Unlike the exciting tennis match referenced in the blog, a musical performance is unlikely to overrun by a completely unpredictable length of time and only needs a filler or so to ensure that the perfomance can be heard, live, in full - if the slot allocated is long enough.

[subcontrabass]

A blog, with comments, which is relevant. If it's pre-recorded and fits into a fixed slot it's a fixed slot. Unlike the exciting tennis match referenced in the blog, a musical performance is unlikely to overrun by a completely unpredictable length of time and only needs a filler or so to ensure that the perfomance can be heard, live, in full - if the slot allocated is long enough.

The problem with Young Musician is the unpredictable and sometimes long interval between the conclusion of the performances and the announcement of the verdict.