Young Musician 2018 Grand Final

[french frank]

I can't see what the problem is here. Every television that can receive BBC1 & 2 can also receive BBC4, and it's no more difficult to access.

BBC One and BBC Two get bigger audiences. But that's why Young Musician, the Proms &c are on BBC Four: they don't attract big enough audiences and the BBC is afraid viewers will switch to a commercial channel if something like that is on a popular one

[ardcarp]

.. who HB?

Can't be Hector Berlioz, perhaps Harrison Birtwistle?

I dunno...

Humphrey Burton

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

BBC One and BBC Two get bigger audiences. But that's why Young Musician, the Proms &c are on BBC Four: they don't attract big enough audiences and the BBC is afraid viewers will switch to a commercial channel if something like that is on a popular one

If they put Casualty and EastEnders on BBC4, would people stop watching those programmes?

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

... who HB?

Can't be Hector Berlioz, perhaps Harrison Birtwistle?

I dunno...


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One of Clemmie's relations, I suspect.

[vinteuil]

One of Clemmie's relations, I suspect.

... ah, not Hugh Bean.

Thanks!


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[Dave2002]

I have followed it vicariously, by reading this thread - quite enough excitement for me. All in all, the thought of a 16-year-old tackling the Prokofiev in public is quite enough to fill me with admiration; and to acquit herself in such a way … not forgetting the other two winners, and the other winners who didn't make it to the final …

Finally got round to watching this.

The Prokofiev is one of the most demanding pieces - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_..._2_(Prokofiev)
Arguably a smart move, worthy of Prokofiev himself, who entered and won a competition playing one of his own concertos, but had to gain permission (and have the work published) before being allowed to play his own piece.

[zola]

Then again as I've said before I do wonder if there's a longer term aim of just letting it die by not doing it as well as it deserves and so losing viewers.

I don't think they are that Machiavellian, if they wanted to drop it, they'd just drop it. And they seem to be making a fuss over the Young Musician 40th anniversary prom. It's just symptomatic of how everything has to fit a presentational formula. It also seemed a bit perverse to have it on the same weekend as Eurovision and the BAFTAS. Not that there is much correlation but they were always going to monopolise media coverage.

[ardcarp]

It's just symptomatic of how everything has to fit a presentational formula

Yes, even Jess Gillam's interval piece didn't show her at her most spontaneous self.

On another topic, Shaku's rendering of the Elgar last movement has been criticised by some. That's a bit harsh! Just think of the pressure...living up to expectation, probably having very little time to rehearse with the CBSO, and playing one of the 'cherished' pieces of the cello repertoire and all the baggage that goes with it. Oh and having to prepare for other concert commitments. OK, I know he's now technically a pro, but maybe we ought to cut him some slack? I actually rather enjoyed it; but felt sorry for what he had to live up to.

[Barbirollians]

Yes, even Jess Gillam's interval piece didn't show her at her most spontaneous self.

On another topic, Shaku's rendering of the Elgar last movement has been criticised by some. That's a bit harsh! Just think of the pressure...living up to expectation, probably having very little time to rehearse with the CBSO, and playing one of the 'cherished' pieces of the cello repertoire and all the baggage that goes with it. Oh and having to prepare for other concert commitments. OK, I know he's now technically a pro, but maybe we ought to cut him some slack? I actually rather enjoyed it; but felt sorry for what he had to live up to.

Fair enough but choosing to play the Elgar is bound to lead to comparisons . Playing a movement is a hideous Essential Classics like move. Why not okay Silent Woods or a short piece for cello and orchestra like that instead?

I remain of the view that interpretatively it seemed all over the place - all brusque and reserved in the opening part of the movement and then all sobbing and emoting near the end . Neither fish nor fowl .

[ardcarp]

This maybe highlights the need for careful management of super-talented but young musicians that are thrust into the public eye. I gather Benjamin Grosvenor's career has been allowed to develop sensibly. I do hope 16-year-old Lauren will be given some 'space'.

[oddoneout]

If they put Casualty and EastEnders on BBC4, would people stop watching those programmes?

If it was a permanent change I'm sure the relevant channel number would be learnt, but a one-off would cause a bit of an upset I imagine.
Does conjure up a rather attractive picture though of clearing the dross from BBC1 to BBC4 for the one evening of the Final......

I can't see what the problem is here. Every television that can receive BBC1 & 2 can also receive BBC4, and it's no more difficult to access.

The difficulty of access is a perception thing.If BBC4 has been ruled out as a viewing option because it doesn't show programmes of interest, as I think may be the case in a large number of homes, then there's no chance of YM receiving a wider audience as it'll be automatically passed by as the channels are flicked through.

[oddoneout]

... who HB?

Can't be Hector Berlioz, perhaps Harrison Birtwistle?

I dunno...


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General purpose pencil.

[BBMmk2]

I do miss those earlier days of Humphrey Burton presenting the programme. Had HRH The Duchess of Kent presenting the prizes in those days.

[kernelbogey]

If it was a permanent change I'm sure the relevant channel number would be learnt, but a one-off would cause a bit of an upset I imagine.
Does conjure up a rather attractive picture though of clearing the dross from BBC1 to BBC4 for the one evening of the Final......


The difficulty of access is a perception thing.If BBC4 has been ruled out as a viewing option because it doesn't show programmes of interest, as I think may be the case in a large number of homes, then there's no chance of YM receiving a wider audience as it'll be automatically passed by as the channels are flicked through.

Could it be that the naff presentation about which I went off on one (post 17)immediately after the programme is the prodcuers' reaction to being ghettoised in BBC4, when they really want to be the new Bake Off (Bach, Orff? :big grin:) on BBC1 primetime?

(I'll get me baking tin.)

[oddoneout]

Could it be that the naff presentation about which I went off on one (post 17)immediately after the programme is the prodcuers' reaction to being ghettoised in BBC4, when they really want to be the new Bake Off (Bach, Orff? :big grin:) on BBC1 primetime?

(I'll get me baking tin.)

Rough music time?