Howards End....

[Richard Tarleton]

Nope, one episode to go.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I enjoyed last night's episode much more than the previous one - less inane jibbering; and a real sense of character development. Particularly impressed with the way Philippa Coulthard portrayed Helen "growing up", and developing an (almost) affection for Bast (and more). Joseph Quinn also seemed much less drippy, too - the way he semi-reluctantly revealed how much the character had "sacrificed" for Jacky was just right.

[Richard Tarleton]

Anyone know the locations? I was wondering if those shots of the house with the sea close by were on the Isle of Wight, but I'd be guessing.

[vinteuil]

Anyone know the locations? I was wondering if those shots of the house with the sea close by were on the Isle of Wight, but I'd be guessing.

... well, the pier looked remarkably like Swanage pier, possibly tidied-up by CGI to make it more period-appropriate.


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Yes, I was right -

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2017-11-26/where-is-bbc1-drama-howards-end-filmed/

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[french frank]

... well, the pier looked remarkably like Swanage pier, possibly tidied-up by CGI to make it more period-appropriate.

Was that Mrs Munt's place? She lived in Swanage in the book, didn't she?

[mercia]

Anyone know the locations? I was wondering if those shots of the house with the sea close by were on the Isle of Wight, but I'd be guessing.

Beethoven 5 was played at Harrow School (by a Harrow orchestra apparently)

The house used for Howards End is Vann House, near Hambledon; dating from 1542 but remodelled by WD Caröe after 1907 with gardens designed by Gertrude Jekyll. Scenes were filmed at Waverley Abbey, West Wycombe House, Harry Warren House on Studland Bay, Ballard Down and Swanage Pier. London locations included Myddelton Square in Clerkenwell, Great Russell Street, Chancery Lane, the British Museum, Australia House, and Simpsons in the Strand dining room

wikipedia

[Pabmusic]

I watched the start of this on YouTube, but the sound was (to me) awful. As if I had earplugs in. Sad, because Tibby Schlegel is based on one of George Butterworth's friends (and Forster's of course) - Reginald Tiddy, who died at High Wood on the Somme.

Perhaps the audio technicians are 16-year-olds.

[french frank]

Reginald Tiddy, who died at High Wood on the Somme.

Re the sound/music I was reading comments online about that: multiple complaints but, oh, dear, poor Tibby.

Have just finished the novel, I didn't find his character annoying, unlike (apparently?) the Tibby of the television series. Not fully developed, but detached rather than annoying? He doesn't get told things because other members of the family know he won't be interested (he isn't, most of the time).

My first acquaintance with the novel was in my mid teens, like Tibby as it happens. My brother's recording of Beethoven's 5th, Furtwängler and the VPO, quoted the bit near the start on the LP sleeve, with Mrs Munt tapping her foot when the tunes came, the two sisters carried away by the music and Tibby buried in the score. I felt an admiration for Tibby who sounded a bit like my big brother

[Richard Tarleton]

I watched the start of this on YouTube, but the sound was (to me) awful. As if I had earplugs in. Sad, because Tibby Schlegel is based on one of George Butterworth's friends (and Forster's of course) - Reginald Tiddy, who died at High Wood on the Somme.

Watching Edwardian drama, or reading Edwardian fiction, I can't get out of my mind that so many of these people are shortly going to die, or find their lives changed out of all recognition. Freddy and George in Room with a View (1908) - what lies in store for them? Historical fiction (Isobel Colegate?) written with hindsight, of course another matter.

[Pabmusic]

Watching Edwardian drama, or reading Edwardian fiction, I can't get out of my mind that so many of these people are shortly going to die, or find their lives changed out of all recognition. Freddy and George in Room with a View (1908) - what lies in store for them? Historical fiction (Isobel Colegate?) written with hindsight, of course another matter.

Here's the Folk Dance Society's demonstration team in 1913. Cecil Sharp is in the centre. George Butterworth is back row, right; Reginald Tiddy (friend of E. M. Forster since they were at Tonbridge together) is back row, left. Also killed on the Somme were George Wilkinson and Perceval Lucas (brother of E. V. Lucas), who are both in the back row - Wilkinson second left, Lucas second right. Lucas featured as Edgar in D. H. Lawrence's pre-war England, their England, where the character is killed in a war with Germany.

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[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Watching Edwardian drama, or reading Edwardian fiction, I can't get out of my mind that so many of these people are shortly going to die, or find their lives changed out of all recognition. Freddy and George in Room with a View (1908) - what lies in store for them?

The 2007 TV adaptation of Room added a (rather unsubtle) "coda" showing that George was to die in the First World War. Spoilt it IMO by changing the readers' awareness of such a possibility into something crassly obvious - it was a very good production, otherwise. (2007??!! I'd've said it was first shown about five years ago!)

[Richard Tarleton]

Never saw that. The Merchant-Ivory film a little piece of cinematic perfection, tho' I confess I haven't read the book.

[vinteuil]

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... in my very first term at university we 'did' Forster. I rapidly concluded that there was much more merit in the light comedies - Where Angels Fear to Tread, A Room with a View - rather than his serious issue-based stuff - Howards End, and (gawd 'elp us) A Passage to India. I do not resile from this assessment. But to think such a clunky bleedin' obvious writer was taken seriously as a Major Novelist - lawks, compared to what them folks on the continong were doing at this time - lordy, but we're a benighted suburban nation


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[french frank]

I rapidly concluded that there was much more merit in the light comedies - Where Angels Fear to Tread, A Room with a View - rather than his serious issue-based stuff - Howards End, and (gawd 'elp us) A Passage to India. I do not resile from this assessment. But to think such a clunky bleedin' obvious writer was taken seriously as a Major Novelist - lawks, compared to what them folks on the continong were doing at this time - lordy, but we're a benighted suburban nation

I had some reservations about HE, having now (re?)read it, but I think your criticism is harsh. I think the lesser-praised Gissing is at least his equal, and the Diary of a Supertramp/Young Emma by WH Davies just as interesting - both at the Bast end of society rather than the best. Apart from Proust, which of the continongtals do you rate, monsieur V?

[vinteuil]

. Apart from Proust, which of the continongtals do you rate, monsieur V?

... of his contemporaries? Where to begin - Dezső Kosztolányi, Miklós Bánffy, Thos: Mann, Franz Kafka, Joseph Roth, the short stories of Schnitzler, Zweig, Borges, - Italo Svevo, Céline , Gide...

Actually you don't need to leave these shores - Conrad, Gissing, Bennett, Ford Madox Ford, Joyce, Woolf, even Ivy Compton Burnett - are so much more rewarding than the painfully limited, earnest, and (I repeat myself) 'clunky' Edward Morgan Forster...


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