It was 50 years ago - Sgt Pepper

[cloughie]

I have scanned through the 23 sections of Radio 4 Extra's "The Stars of Sgt Pepper" and none of them is dedicated to Karleinz Stockhausen. Hmm!



There again, he is by no means alone in being left out.

What do you want just over four and half minutes of silence?

[Bryn]

What do you want just over four and half minutes of silence?

What has that to do with Karlheinz Stockhausen?

[Richard Barrett]

What has that to do with Karlheinz Stockhausen?

I was wondering that too.

As for Lennon being a musical conservative: yes, quite, but PMcC came out as one also in his post-Beatles work (here I shall mention "Mull of Kintyre" and leave it at that). One of the most important things that made the Beatles great was the sense, especially from 1967 onwards, that they could do anything in their music, from silly Ringo songs to "Revolution no.9" and everything in between. It was a music of possibility, in a way that none of them ended up being able to realise on their own.

[Pianoman]

I like your piece in the Guardian today Richard - how on earth do you get time to compose...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/05/theresa-may-enough-is-enough-extremist-threat

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

What has that to do with Karlheinz Stockhausen?

Oh - y'know; like Schumann's Minute Waltz.

[vinteuil]

I like your piece in the Guardian today Richard - how on earth do you get time to compose...
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...tremist-threat

... joking apart - Richd: Barrett (counter-terrorism chap) really knows his stuff - as (of course) does Richd: Barrett (composer).

I wonder if their pay cheques ever cross...

I'm sure Richd: (composer) gets even more surveillance than he might expect as a declared Marxist, purely bicoz the synonymy...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Barrett_(counter-terrorism_expert)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Barrett_(composer)

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[Richard Barrett]

I like your piece in the Guardian today Richard - how on earth do you get time to compose...
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...tremist-threat

It's tough, what with being a motivational speaker as well! https://www.valuescentre.com/about/richard-barrett

[Pianoman]

[cloughie]

I was wondering that too.

As for Lennon being a musical conservative: yes, quite, but PMcC came out as one also in his post-Beatles work (here I shall mention "Mull of Kintyre" and leave it at that). One of the most important things that made the Beatles great was the sense, especially from 1967 onwards, that they could do anything in their music, from silly Ringo songs to "Revolution no.9" and everything in between. It was a music of possibility, in a way that none of them ended up being able to realise on their own.

But Yoko had other ideas! What was conservative about M of K? None of the others used bagpipes!

[Serial_Apologist]

It's tough, what with being a motivational speaker as well! https://www.valuescentre.com/about/richard-barrett

... not to mention, a firm of home builders!

[Serial_Apologist]

I was wondering that too.

As for Lennon being a musical conservative: yes, quite, but PMcC came out as one also in his post-Beatles work (here I shall mention "Mull of Kintyre" and leave it at that). One of the most important things that made the Beatles great was the sense, especially from 1967 onwards, that they could do anything in their music, from silly Ringo songs to "Revolution no.9" and everything in between. It was a music of possibility, in a way that none of them ended up being able to realise on their own.

We shouldn't forget that John and Yoko also collaborated on a couple of recordings with John Stevens, Trevor Watts and various associates of the Spontaneous Music Ensemble at the time, or shortly after recording "Sgt Pepper", and that the two joined forces with the Mothers of Invention a couple of years later, before too quickly assuming Lennon's musical conservatism.

I've just rediscovered the following quote from Robert Wyatt, taken from a conversation with Robert Sandall on Mixing It back in 1991, which summed up rather well, for me, the spirit of the times that in part made for the kinds of experimentation pursued by groups such as the Beatles, the Graham Bond Organisation, Pink Floyd, and the Soft Machine, of which Wyatt was then a member:

"There was a nice feeling in the late 'sixties - I don't think it necessarily came from the music, but the music came from it - that the 'old order' was breaking down, and you could try new combinations. There weren't any sounds that you couldn't use; there weren't any structures, or breaking down of structures, that you couldn't use; there wasn't anything you couldn't play in front of a rock audience. I think it was the feeling that anything was possible'.

[Bryn]

... not to mention, a firm of home builders!

Don't berate him for Barratts.

[teamsaint]

... not to mention, a firm of home builders!

and occasional pirate...... ?

[cloughie]

and occasional pirate...... ?

But it is a cracking song, there's a great version of it by Kimber's Men

[teamsaint]

But it is a cracking song, there's a great version of it by Kimber's Men

Swill Odgers frequently performs it solo during a mid set break at The Men They Couldn't Hang gigs, and its a highlight in what are always brilliant concerts.