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  • aka Calum Da Jazbo
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 9173

    20th Century Blues

    ...several bits of reading have led me to some questions concerning the 20th Century ... i am resisting strong answers because i want to ponder them and share thoughts with others ...

    listening to David Harvey and reading reviews of his work

    {see:



    Website of David Harvey, Distinguished Professor of Anthropology & Geography at The Graduate Center, CUNY


    the Berkeley Lecture on his site is well worth persevering with]

    ... led me to the idea that the 20th C ended on 15/9/2008 with the collapse of Lehman and the dawning realisation that the contradictions of capitalism could no longer be avoided and we have little to put in its place since the state systems were so truly awful ...

    The one thing that a thousand books written from within the financial crisis won't contemplate is the possibility of an unhappy ending for capitalism.


    i do not think it ended on 9/11 - the response and mind set was pure 20th c a war on terror and as terrifyingly dumb as many 20C ideas ....


    reading Doidge's brilliant book on neural plasticity reminds me of just how many taboo ideas there were; the brain could not be plastic in adults; animals did not resemble humans or rather one should not anthropomorhphise coupled with a highly restrictive reductionism [behaviorism, operant conditioning ala B F Skinner [apt initials] and simplistic genetic determinism ..restrictive deeply pessimistic ideologies

    the voices arguing for complexity, emergence, were there in 20C, but loners [check the treatment of Lovelock's Gaia Hypothesis] ...

    some of this restraint of thought was down to commercial interests eg Big Pharma has not helped us to truly understand what actually might be happening and causative in disease processes, some of it was power/ideological the hot and cold wars against totalitarian states but some of it was sui generis, plasticity and anthropomorphism for example ...

    despite all the radical critiques and 'theory' the 20C seems a very repressed psyche to me [forgive the metaphor] ...

    i would be very interested in any thoughts you have ...let me say that i am not referring to politics here, rather to our mindsets, what was though OK to think and what was not ... the intellectual character of the century ...
    According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.
  • antongould
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 8782

    #2
    were all state systems throughout the 20th century so uniformly awful?

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    • aka Calum Da Jazbo
      Late member
      • Nov 2010
      • 9173

      #3
      apologies for the ambiguity, by state systems i intended to refer to collectivist totalitarianism as in the Soviet Bloc or China, and the Nationalist/Fascist systems of Germany, Spain, Italy etc .... but as i posted, it is not about the politics per se, more about how we thought and thought it was ok to think ... something which puzzles and perplexes me but also seems important [as an individual i found myself in a profound temperamental antagonism to many 20C orthodoxies ... Piaget Freud Behaviorism Reductionism ... all operated as dogmas, and then along came the Evolutionary Psychology zealots etc ... i had similar but more ambivalent regard for marxist theory ... maybe the problem is me! ... but there is a definite strand of repressive thought in western liberal societies mental models that contradicts my experience of people and that seemed to me plain wrong, but which was nonetheless enforced in psychiatric/educational policy and practices ...

      and i am curious as to other's understanding of major thought models in the 20C ...
      According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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      • aka Calum Da Jazbo
        Late member
        • Nov 2010
        • 9173

        #4
        an interesting take on materialism by an economist:

        Materialism has had its day. To understand the ideas that drive human activity, including economics, we need a new field that combines the arts and sciences, argues Deirdre N. McCloskey


        and a set of fascinating lectures at a conference on Enlightenment 2.0

        According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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        • aka Calum Da Jazbo
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 9173

          #5
          the story of the century



          [an irresistible toy btw]

          According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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          • eighthobstruction
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 6437

            #6
            What are the two planes indicating....????

            ¬¬¬¬````
            bong ching

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            • aka Calum Da Jazbo
              Late member
              • Nov 2010
              • 9173

              #7
              the frequency over time of the two words in the total texts of the google books database

              try it! hours of endless speculative fun .... [hobnobs, chocolate]
              According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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              • eighthobstruction
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 6437

                #8
                I see the cross over point is most obviously....Woodstock Festival aug 1969....

                bong ching

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