Revolution & Romance: Musical Masters of the 19th Century

[vinteuil]

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... well, I think it certainly should be deglazed with madeira and shaved truffles -

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tournedos_Rossini

but perhaps the chef did it behind the cameraman's back ---

[ tourne dos, hoh ho ]

[Barbirollians]

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... well, I think it certainly should be deglazed with madeira and shaved truffles -

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tournedos_Rossini

but perhaps the chef did it behind the cameraman's back ---

[ tourne dos, hoh ho ]

We saw the truffle but not the sauce being made - perhaps the truffle was beyond the BBC's budget.
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[Richard Tarleton]

Thanks. I hope somebody ate the rest of it, after SK had toyed with it

[Serial_Apologist]

We saw the truffle but not the sauce being made - perhaps the truffle was beyond the BBC's budget.
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With all their money? - a mere truffle.

[Nick Armstrong]

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... well, I think it certainly should be deglazed with madeira and shaved truffles -

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tournedos_Rossini

but perhaps the chef did it behind the cameraman's back ---

[ tourne dos, hoh ho ]

I love the phrase "les sucs de cuisson" ... not heard that before.

[Nick Armstrong]

Caught up with Programme 1 (before the second in 10 minutes' time)... Enjoyable and yes, details very interesting.

And the lighter notes done well - e.g. as others have said, the Lieback section; Klein doing some paid emoting at the Paris Opera. Glad they chose Skylon for the Tournedos Rossini - I've had it there, it's excellent (it's one of the best places in town currently for steak imo!). And loved the deft touch of Ms Klein referring to Ravioli Paganini, the lighter version of which includes minced testicles, making 'Mozart Balls' seem appetising...

[Richard Tarleton]

Another cracking episode just finished - I missed the start, and so gather I may have missed SK singing the Marseillaise, but an entertaining gallop through Chopin, Weber, Wagner, Verdi.....D Grimwood assisted by SK explaining the mazurka.....SK's Italian sounded pretty convincing....the Wagner snippets illustrated by Arthur Rackham's marvellous 1910-11 illustrations....lots to take in, tho' the Wagner story glossed over a bit quickly (a word for Liszt, who kept the flame alive for so long and to whom Wagner owed so much, and the unfortunate Ludwig, would not have gone amiss )

But - what was that eagle flying across in front of the mountains, at the end of the Wagner segment? The silhouette unmistakeably that of a Bonelli's Eagle, not a species you'll find in Bavaria? I think we should be told which cutting room floor that came from

[Nick Armstrong]

a word for Liszt

I have a few you could use

[Richard Tarleton]

I have a few you could use

Now now....in this context. Wagner's music could well have sunk without trace, during his years of powerless obscurity in Switzerland, had it not been for Liszt. And Ludwig would have fitted nicely into the Romantic narrative. But an hour too short.

[Nick Armstrong]

Now now....in this context. Wagner's music could well have sunk without trace, during his years of powerless obscurity in Switzerland, had it not been for Liszt.

Fair point, well made, Richard. I have the striker's instinct for an open goal, forgive me!

[Barbirollians]

Had the feeling that SK a bigger fan of Verdi than Wagner . I am with her on that LVB played a big role last week .

[Richard Tarleton]

I am with her on that LVB played a big role last week .

Sorry Barbs, late at night, I was referring to King Ludwig ll - the story of Wagner somehow incomplete without him

She also rattled off the philosophers important to Wagner in his early years, but did not mention the one who had the profoundest influence on him, from his first reading of The World as Will and Representation in 1854 until the end of his life - under whose influence he was when he wrote Tristan, Meistersinger, Parsifal and the music for Act 3 of Siegfried and Gotterdammerung - Schopenhauer. Maybe if she'd spent less time talking to those eccentric Verdian gents, and watching children singing Va pensiero - great fun I'm sure - she'd have left herself a bit more time to do justice to Wagner.

[richardfinegold]

A new 3-part series starts on BBC 4, 21.00-22.00hrs, Tuesday, 31 May.
In Part 1, We Can Be Heroes, Suzy Klein explores how music became a dominant art form during a time of great political and industrial change. With the growth of an affluent middle class, composers and performers were no longer the servants of monarchs...could be worthwhile.

Is that Suzy "Cobbler" Klein?

[Richard Tarleton]

Is this a reference to some past misdemeanour, richard ?

It's actually a very good series, on the whole.

[Barbirollians]

Sorry Barbs, late at night, I was referring to King Ludwig ll - the story of Wagner somehow incomplete without him

She also rattled off the philosophers important to Wagner in his early years, but did not mention the one who had the profoundest influence on him, from his first reading of The World as Will and Representation in 1854 until the end of his life - under whose influence he was when he wrote Tristan, Meistersinger, Parsifal and the music for Act 3 of Siegfried and Gotterdammerung - Schopenhauer. Maybe if she'd spent less time talking to those eccentric Verdian gents, and watching children singing Va pensiero - great fun I'm sure - she'd have left herself a bit more time to do justice to Wagner.

I thought it was rather refreshing that there wasn't over concentration on Wagner as tends to be the case- the context is Revolution and Romance - there was discussion of his philosophy and his political impact at the time .