Big French Concrete Churches

[jean]

Bristol does not have the finish of Liverpool both inside and out (you can see all the plank marks where the concrete was poured for the roof for example)...

But isn't that more honest, more true to the materials than covering the external surface with mosaic tiling, as they did at Liverpool?

It looks even worse when it starts to peel off in bits, as in invariably does. Give me the marks of the shuttering any time.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

Do these places have Services using Musique Concrète?


As you were ...

[vinteuil]

Ronchamp.

... some further photos of Charles-Édouard Jeanneret-Gris's ND du Haut, Ronchamp -

http://www.kisskissbankbank.com/fr/projects/charles-bueb-ronchamp-le-corbusier

[Alain Maréchal]

Notre-Dame des Malades, Vichy, work commenced 1925, attached to St-Blaise, the chancel of which is all that remains of the ducal chapel, which contains a black statue of ND formerly much visited by those taking the waters. It stands on the highest point of the old town and the tower imposes itself into every view.

http://photos-eglises.fr/Auvergne/03/Vichy/ND/notredame.htm

http://www.architecture-art-deco.fr/eglise-notre-dame-des-malades.html

[french frank]

Oh dear, it gets worse. Clifton Cathedral has a leaky roof

http://www.cliftoncathedral.org/repair-our-roof

I'm glad you've corrected the reference to Clifton Cathedral. This is Bristol Cathedral (some of it is quite old):

[jean]

I don't think anythng was edited.

There are two mentions of the concrete cathedral on this thread - the first simply refers to Bristol, where the building undoubtedly is; the second has Clifton Cathedral.

(Do you know why the Anglican and Catholic dioceses in Bristol have different names, while the ones in Liverpool are the same?)

[french frank]

I don't think anythng was edited.

I wasn't suggesting it had been 'edited', merely that after the ambiguous comment 'Bristol does not have the finish of Liverpool both inside and out (you can see all the plank marks where the concrete was poured for the roof for example)' it was clarified (so perhaps I should have said that rather than 'corrected') when it was later referred to as 'Clifton'. It seemed to me that anyone not familiar with the two cathedrals might have taken the reference to 'Bristol' as meaning 'Bristol Cathedral' - so I was satisfied on seeing it later referred to by its name .

Reading from the newest it was impossible to tell that what was meant was 'the cathedral referred to, which is in Bristol'.

(Do you know why the Anglican and Catholic dioceses in Bristol have different names, while the ones in Liverpool are the same?)

I don't know for sure. I assumed that Bristol and Clifton dioceses were not coterminous. The Catholic Pro-Cathedral was based in Clifton, BS 8 (as is the new one, of course), whereas Bristol Cathedral is in the central area, BS1.

[jean]

When the Catholic hierarchy was reestablished after Catholic Emancipation, no Catholic diocese was allowed to call itself by the same name as an existing Anglican one.

Thus the Catholic archdiocese that quite clearly covers the capital had to be called Westminster, rather than London.

But when the Catholic archdiocese of Liverpool was named, there was no Anglican diocese of Liverpool - until 1880, Liverpool was part of the diocese of Chester. And of course when the Anglicans decided they needed a new diocese, there was no law to tell the Established Church what it could or couldn't do.

The competition to see who could build the latgest cathedral in the world (from whatever material) started somewhat later, with the Catholics finally declaring defeat in the 1960s. The Anglicans may have secretly wished they could do the same, but by that time the project had gone too far.

[ardcarp]

Yes; I haven't seen it since I sang at its [Clifton Cathedral's] consecration in about 1973

I remember accompanying something (including some ghastly pseudo-plainsong IIRC) at the pro-cathedral...a rather ugly forerunner. Brick, I think, not concrete.

[subcontrabass]

I remember accompanying something (including some ghastly pseudo-plainsong IIRC) at the pro-cathedral...a rather ugly forerunner. Brick, I think, not concrete.

Stone (at least on the outside). The shell has been preserved and the interior of the building converted to a set of student flats.

[french frank]

I remember accompanying something (including some ghastly pseudo-plainsong IIRC) at the pro-cathedral...a rather ugly forerunner. Brick, I think, not concrete.

I thought it quite an interesting building. I did not know what it was now. I had a feeling it became a Steiner school.

[ardcarp]

Thanks for the pics, ff. It struck me at the time as being rather squat on the outside (despite its pretensions to Italianate Romanesque) but it had a certain grandeur inside. 'Twas all a long time ago...........

[Don Basilio]

(Do you know why the Anglican and Catholic dioceses in Bristol have different names, while the ones in Liverpool are the same?)

In 1850 when a Roman Catholic hierarchy was allowed to be established, it was not allowed for them to take the title of an existing see. Hence Westminster not London, Salford not Manchester, East Anglia not Norwich and Clifton not Bristol. But at at least Southwark, Liverpool and Birmingham the RCs got there first.

[jean]

That's right! See my post #23!

[Don Basilio]

sorry, jean. I replied to your earlier post without noticing your later post.

The C of E has only just got round to creating a diocese Leeds. A couple of years ago I was on a parish pilgrimage (C of E) to Walsingham when I met a charming bemused couple wandering round the (C of E} shrine grounds. They asked me where they could find their pilgrimage. I asked them where they were from. The diocese of Leeds, they told me. O that diocese of Leeds, I said, you need to go up the village street, fork right outside the village and go on for a mile.